Balder vs Shatterstar

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
When he shows up he gets to do stuff, when Blader shows up he gets to stand around in the back ground with the Warriors Three will Thor takes care of business. Feats dictate who wins... aside from one bullet redirect feat, Blader's feats suck.

Balder is plenty tough, at least when he gets focused on like during Walter's run. Taking a back seat to Thor is nothing to be ashamed of and is hardly reason to denounce the character.

His incarnation would clean house and any fight in Asgard or where Balder's invulnerability is active, he wins.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Balder is plenty tough, at least when he gets focus like during Walter's run.

His incarnation would clean house and any fight in Asgard or where Balder's invulnerability is active, he wins.

The only thing I can remember him doing of any merit is in Simonson's Balder mini when he melted some Frost Trolls who by happy circumstance just so happen to have debilitating weakness to his light powers... which is about as impressive as throwing a hunk of kryptonite at Superman.

Also Shattarstar's swords are magic and even bypassed classic Juggernaut's invulnerability. Blader might be shit out of luck even with the mistletoe toe thing enabled.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only thing I can remember him doing of any merit is in Simonson's Balder mini when he melted some Frost Trolls who by happy circumstance just so happen to have debilitating weakness to his light powers... which is about as impressive as throwing a hunk of kryptonite at Superman.

Then re-reading some key Balder issues is in order. Very formidable in combat and intended to be very fast. Shatterstar can use his abilities to knock Thing around but Balder is someone who can challenge Walter's Thor in close combat.

I'd post scans but I'm on a different computer unfortunately. I'd like to see them myself, been a while.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Also Shattarstar's swords are magic and even bypassed classic Juggernaut's invulnerability. Blader might be shit out of luck even with the mistletoe toe thing enabled.

So have many things. Besides, in that issue Hellstrike's claws were cutting him too IIRC, hardly indicative of Juggernaut at his very best.

Out of curiosity, what are Shatterstar's swords made from? How are they magic?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Then re-reading some key Balder issues is in order. Very formidable in combat and intended to be very fast. Shatterstar can use his abilities to knock Thing around but Balder is someone who can challenge Walter's Thor in close combat.

I'd post scans but I'm on a different computer unfortunately. I'd like to see them myself, been a while.

No worries, I'm an a ipad, I'm not going to post shit. 😆

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Besides, in that issue Hellstrike's claws were cutting him too IIRC, hardly indicative of Juggernaut at his very best.

Don't you mean Feral?

How are the Ipads? I got a free BlackBerry playbook and I'm really enjoying it. Thinking of upgrading to an Ipad. Is it worth it?

And Shatterstar fought undead Asgardians recently in X-Factor IIRC. Don't remember much but they were incredibly challenging for him. Undead, but still baseline Asgardian stats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't you mean Feral?

Yea that one. The claw/sword people and their stupid names get me mixed up.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How are the Ipads? I got a free BlackBerry playbook and I'm really enjoying it. Thinking of upgrading to an Ipad. Is it worth it?

And Shatterstar fought undead Asgardians recently in X-Factor IIRC. Don't remember much but they were incredibly challenging for him. Undead, but still baseline Asgardian stats.

My i-pad is alright, my cousin has the google nexus tablet though... I like it a lot more.

I'm behind on X-Factor right now, I need to catch up.

Oh yea? I'll check it out.

"Acquiring" the relevant issues right now, I'll post scans or at least summarize.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
their average citizens are default class one... and some of them are on par with Gladiator.

Name one on par with Gladiator, that are not augments.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Firstly, Shattarstar isn't human. Secondly, even Thor doesn't have the speed feats that put him above the top tier streets in combat speed and reflexes. Balder has one speed feat... and it's almost as good as some of Typhoid Mary's speed feats... almost.

what?? thor was fast enough to own quicksliver. so I don't know what you're talking about friend. balder would rip this guy apart with no problem

The arc starts in "X-Factor #209" and ends in "X-Factor 212".

Regarding how Shatterstar rates against Balder, well, he kind of gets his ass handed to him if those encounters were any indication. Balder doesn't have their ability to easily reattach body parts but he doesn't need it, he's the superior warrior and Shatterstar was straight up fought at one point. He called Shatterstar skilled but he had centuries of experience. I didn't read X-Factor #211, so maybe he gets a better showing there but I don't remember that happening.

Originally posted by Stoic
Name one on par with Gladiator, that are not augments.

Shatterstar is an augmentation, he was completely genetically engineered... so why would I need to make that distinguishment with the Shi'ar?

Originally posted by Heavenly king
what?? thor was fast enough to own quicksliver. so I don't know what you're talking about friend. balder would rip this guy apart with no problem

facepalm

Quick Silver effortlessly avoided Thor's attacks. Thor managed to get him via smashing the ground and knocking him down with some aoe force... which is a strength feat akin to a thunder clap.

Know your Thor. 😎

Because you made the claim that there were Shiar out there on par with Gladiator. So I asked you to name one.

Originally posted by Stoic
Because you made the claim that there were Shiar out there on par with Gladiator. So I asked you to name one.

No, you said name one who isn't augmented... which isn't the same thing. Deathbird is on Gladiator level per her own admission, but she's been enhanced. She still has hollow bones though.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shatterstar is an augmentation, he was completely genetically engineered... so why would I need to make that distinguishment with the Shi'ar?

facepalm

Quick Silver effortlessly avoided Thor's attacks. Thor managed to get him via smashing the ground and knocking him down with some aoe force... which is a strength feat akin to a thunder clap.

Know your Thor. 😎

😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Heavenly king
😆 😆 😆

You got a counter point, that makes Thor smashing the ground a speed feat? Because I'd love to hear that. I could use a good laugh before I go to bed and cdtm isn't posting, so someone needs to fill his void of stupidity. Have at it.

Ouch

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No, you said name one who isn't augmented... which isn't the same thing. Deathbird is on Gladiator level per her own admission, but she's been enhanced. She still has hollow bones though.

Making a claim and backing it up are two different things. Until she shows the ability of being able to push around planets, uproot sky scrapers, fly at speeds greater than light, freeze a lake with her breath, push warships the size of cities, then I take that statement with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by Stoic
Making a claim and backing it up are two different things. Until she shows the ability of being able to push around planets, uproot sky scrapers, fly at speeds greater than light, freeze a lake with her breath, push warships the size of cities, then I take that statement with a grain of salt.

She's successfully engaged Ms Marvel and Glads in melee though. Her being par with Glads is almost certainly a hyperbole, but she has extreme super strength none the less and hollow bones... which is the combo you have a problem accepting.