Balder vs Shatterstar

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You got a counter point, that makes Thor smashing the ground a speed feat? Because I'd love to hear that. I could use a good laugh before I go to bed and cdtm isn't posting, so someone needs to fill his void of stupidity. Have at it.

fast enough to hit the ground before quicksliver can react. my vold of stupidity? you're the guy saying that thor doesn't have any speed feats over street level. oh here's another feat for ya, so laugh it up.

that looks like a nice speed feat for a guy that doesn't have any speed feats
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed21475.jpg

here's another one

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed30WolverinevsThor2.jpg

You two are so cute, I can't wait to rape you.

no homo

Originally posted by Mindset
You two are so cute, I can't wait to rape you.

no homo

I like ya and want ya. we can do this the easy way or we can do this the HARD way

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
She's successfully engaged Ms Marvel and Glads in melee though. Her being par with Glads is almost certainly a hyperbole, but she has extreme super strength none the less [b]and hollow bones... which is the combo you have a problem accepting. [/B]

Not really I've just never read the battles that you said, and wanted to know which Shiar was on par with Gladiator, which is why I asked you to name one.

Outside of that I'm still trying to understand how Shatterstar is on Balder's level? Or what made you believe that he was a class 10? I have also yet to see a very slow Asgardian. Balder is one of the most skilled swordsman in Asgard. You also have yet to make the claim that Shatterstar would win this.

Originally posted by Heavenly king
I like ya and want ya. we can do this the easy way or we can do this the HARD way

Oh no, not the booty warrior.

Originally posted by Heavenly king
fast enough to hit the ground before quicksliver can react. my vold of stupidity? you're the guy saying that thor doesn't have any speed feats over street level. oh here's another feat for ya, so laugh it up.

that looks like a nice speed feat for a guy that doesn't have any speed feats
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed21475.jpg

Because Quicksilver posses the ability to stop Thor from pounding the ground? Right? 🙄

The speed at which Thor swung his hammer is irrelevant. Quick Silver isn't Flash. He doesn't IMP people. He couldn't stop Thor from swinging his hammer, it's an irresistible force. He just needed to ride it out and hope for the best.

Awesome Thor managed to catch a featless Zefra who has an ambiguous level of super speed! Wow.

FYI I've seen all of Thor's sad sack "speed feats" before. This isn't the first time someone has tried to make the case that he is faster than the top tier streets... and they've all failed miserably.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because Quicksilver posses the ability to stop Thor from pounding the ground? Right? 🙄

The speed at which Thor swung his hammer is irrelevant. Quick Silver isn't Flash. He doesn't IMP people. He couldn't stop Thor from swinging his hammer, it's an irresistible force. He just needed to ride it out and hope for the best.

Awesome Thor managed to catch a featless Zefra who has an ambiguous level of supers peed! Wow.

yea he ins't the flash but he should still be able to use his speed to out do thor and his below street level speed

Originally posted by Stoic
Not really I've just never read the battles that you said, and wanted to know which Shiar was on par with Gladiator, which is why I asked you to name one.

Outside of that I'm still trying to understand how Shatterstar is on Balder's level? Or what made you believe that he was a class 10? I have also yet to see a very slow Asgardian. Balder is one of the most skilled swordsman in Asgard. You also have yet to make the claim that Shatterstar would win this.

And alternatively I'm trying to understand how Balder is on Shatterstar level. All you've done so far is decided he has an arbitrary advantage by nature of being an Asgardian. What has Balder done that would suggest he could beat Shatterstar? Because he doesn't have the skill, speed or strength feats to back such a claim.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because Quicksilver posses the ability to stop Thor from pounding the ground? Right? 🙄

The speed at which Thor swung his hammer is irrelevant. Quick Silver isn't Flash. He doesn't IMP people. He couldn't stop Thor from swinging his hammer, it's an irresistible force. He just needed to ride it out and hope for the best.

Awesome Thor managed to catch a featless Zefra who has an ambiguous level of super speed! Wow.

FYI I've seen all of Thor's sad sack "speed feats" before. This isn't the first time someone has tried to make the case that he is faster than the top tier streets... and they've all failed miserably.

But is Shatterstar a speedster? Do you believe that Shatterstar would make Balder look like a statue if they fought?

Originally posted by Stoic
But is Shatterstar a speedster? Do you believe that Shatterstar would make Balder look like a statue if they fought?

Shatterstar would dance around Balder the same as he did Thing.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And alternatively I'm trying to understand how Balder is on Shatterstar level. All you've done so far is decided he has an arbitrary advantage by nature of being an Asgardian. What has Balder done that would suggest he could beat Shatterstar? Because he doesn't have the skill, speed or strength feats to back such a claim.

Feats don't decide every debate. You should know this. We both also know that all Asgardians are much stronger than humans. What makes you believe that SS is a class 10? We both know that Balder is far stronger than a class 10, which in the case of SS is a giant if.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shatterstar would dance around Balder the same as he did Thing.

Based on what? Wolverine handled him like he was a joke.

Originally posted by Stoic
Feats don't decide every debate. You should know this. We both also know that all Asgardians are much stronger than humans. What makes you believe that SS is a class 10? We both know that Balder is far stronger than a class 10, which in the case of SS is a giant if.

Feats are the only thing that matters. If a character doesn't have the feats to compete... then they are shit out of luck. If you want to just look at things as they should play out "on paper," then Killer Croc would rage stomp Batman... but we all know that's not the case. Do you remember Siege? Asgardians are fodder. They got killed in the dozens in that event by plenty of much more human characters than Shatterstar.

And again I feel compelled to point out that Shatterstar isn't human. He is a genetically engendered science project from the future. He was spinning around an 800lbs barbell like it was a wooden bo-staff when he was smacking around The Thing (who weighs half a ton himself) around.

Originally posted by Stoic
Based on what? Wolverine handled him like he was a joke.

Wolverine would do the same thing to Balder.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Feats are the only thing that matters. If a character doesn't have the feats to compete... then they are shit out of luck. If you want to just look at things as they should play out "on paper," then Killer Croc would rage stomp Batman... but we all know that's not the case. Do you remember Siege? Asgardians are fodder. They got killed in the dozens in that event by plenty of much more human characters than Shatterstar.

And again I feel compelled to point out that Shatterstar isn't human. He is a genetically engendered science project from the future. He was spinning around an 800lbs barbell like it was a wooden bo-staff when he was smacking around The Thing (who weighs half a ton himself) around.

Shatterstar would have been fodder if he were to have fought in that Siege battle against the more powerful characters there, so I really can't see where the low ball is coming from. In Asgard Shatterstar would be less than a footstool. Balder would win this simply by being one of the most skilled Asgardian swordsman of that race. I thought we covered this already. He defeated Thor in a scrimmage match, and I'm not certain if you are suggesting that Shatterstar would also be able to defeat Thor as well, but that seems to be the direction that you're heading in.

Like I said, Balder would grab the little bird man, and choke slam him through the street, and into a sewer hole. It's just that simple.

And who gives a crap about his origins, he's still Balder's inferior.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine would do the same thing to Balder.

That's arguable at best.

naaaaaah

Originally posted by Stoic
Shatterstar would have been fodder if he were to have fought in that Siege battle against the more powerful characters there, so I really can't see where the low ball is coming from. In Asgard Shatterstar would be less than a footstool. Balder would win this simply by being one of the most skilled Asgardian swordsman of that race. I thought we covered this already. He defeated Thor in a scrimmage match, and I'm not certain if you are suggesting that Shatterstar would also be able to defeat Thor as well, but that seems to be the direction that you're heading in.

Like I said, Balder would grab the little bird man, and choke slam him through the street, and into a sewer hole. It's just that simple.

Robin has beat Shiva in a "scrimmage match." Which should illuminate just how irrelevant that little piece of information is.

Bullseye, Mr X and Tasky were killing scores of Asgardians in Siege. Shatterstar would have done the same time. Balder doesn't get gifted a win via benefit of the doubt because he happens to be Asgardian. That's not how things work. You need to built a case based on Balder's feats. If the fight was in Asgard, Shatterstar wouldn't be able to put down Balder, even sans mistletoe enchantment Asgardians are nearly impossible to kill or ko conventionally in Asgard... but this fight isn't in Asgard.

Originally posted by Stoic
That's arguable at best.

No it isn't.

Well Asgard is now on Earth, so that shouldn't matter now should it? Ever since this discussion began you have tried to paint Balder as a turtle like character, and have been proven wrong. I asked you if you believed that Shatterstar would make him look like a statue, and your answer was less than the proof that his supposed feats should suggest, so what do you base this opinion off of? Balder is clearly not slow, nor is Loki, Hogun, or Fandral, yet none of these seasoned warriors are a match for Balder, in or out of Asgard with a sword. So how does SS dance around a character that is strong enough to own him in a number of ways, which include speed, since it is strength that allows a character to move at great speeds outside of speed force users and speedy mutants.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well Asgard is now on Earth, so that shouldn't matter now should it? Ever since this discussion began you have tried to paint Balder as a turtle like character, and have been proven wrong. I asked you if you believed that Shatterstar would make him look like a statue, and your answer was less than the proof that his supposed feats should suggest, so what do you base this opinion off of? Balder is clearly not slow, nor is Loki, Hogun, or Fandral, yet none of these seasoned warriors are a match for Balder, in or out of Asgard with a sword. So how does SS dance around a character that is strong enough to own him in a number of ways, which include speed, since it is strength that allows a character to move at great speeds outside of speed force users and speedy mutants.

Asgard is back in Asgard since Odin rebuilt it in Siege. Anyway the first thing that happened the Asgardians took up shelter on earth was two idiots got drunk and one of them was killed by accident in a duel because the rules on earth were different and they weren't protected the same.

Thing is fast too. Virtually every time he throws down with someone we are told that his massive bulk doesn't slow him down any... and Shatterstar danced around him like he was Spider-man. If you want to say that Balder is faster or more skilled than Shatterstar... then prove it. You saying "He's Asgardian!" is inconsequential. He doesn't have the feats to back your opinion of what he can do. On panel feats show that Shatterstar is faster and more skilled than Balder.

Ben Grimm would smash Balder. We saw how Shatterstar dealt with him.