Cyclops with the Phoenix force defeat?

Also , from what the Newsrama article mentioned , Cap is gonna try and "make it up" to the mutants by assembling a new Avengers roster to deal with threats to the mutant population :

Originally posted by http://www.newsarama.com/comics/bendis-alonso-brevoort-avengers-vs-x-men-death.html
Marvel NOW! series including Uncanny Avengers, depicting Captain America forming a new Avengers squad to help better deal with threats to the mutant population, and All-New X-Men both deal directly with the fallout of Xavier's death. The latter features the original five X-Men (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Iceman, Beast and Angel) transported from the past to the present, only to deem the modern-day Marvel Universe unacceptable — and now it's obvious as to why.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That's because this time they had a much better understanding(unlike the Avengers who had virtually no clue about what they were up against w/o Wolverine) of what the Phoenix was and is supposed to do . They intended to prepare Hope for the power that she was going to receive and then the Avengers come smashing on his door , basically demanding that he hand her over .

Hope going with Cap , Scott ordering her to be brought back happened AFTER they got the PF . Most of his character assassination(which you're talking about here) happened AFTER they were possessed and ultimately corrupted by the PF.

The same Hope who stood and watched as Thor beat the snot out of one of her "Lights" aka Gabriel ? Those douchebag Avengers wouldn't have bothered to seriously hurt her friends , and she still went ahead with them . Sounds more like the rebellious teen-hormones kicking in trope to me . Also she intended to go with Wanda(the Witch who killed off the entire mutant race and has now become one of the heroes of this sh1tty storyline) , which makes the whole scene even more atrocious/painful from a mutant's POV .

Yeah , they built a supposed totalitarian regime after solving a heck of world issues , and throughout their rule , Scott was the only one who displayed control and reason . All the others were already showing signs of corruption , while Scott finally lost it AFTER Emma's confession of adultery was made .

The Avengers knew enough about the Phoenix to know that it is a dangerous cosmic force that is capable of destroying all life on earth and whipping out all of existence if it's so inclined. Which alone is reason enough to take SERIOUS precautions, even if Nova hadn't shown up and warned them that Phoenix was whipping out planets on its way to earth and Wolverine (who has been the host the Dark Phoenix himself) hadn't shared with them his knowledge / experience.

Cyclops wasn't preparing Hope for anything, he hadn't even told her about the Phoenix, she figured it out on her own and confronted Scott about it in the AvX zero issue. Hope wasn't being trained to adequately control the Phoenix, the X-Men were sitting around Utopia like a bunch of lunatics waiting for Zorp the Purveyor to incinerate them with his molten lava mouth. Scott was merely hoping for the best, and leaving it to blind faith, Cap and the Avengers did far more to prepare Hope for the Phoenix when they took her to Kun'lun then the X-Men ever did. By a huge margin.

Thor dropped Gabriel with a single gut check. Hope herself did far worse to the Lights before she escaped Utopia, plus if she didn't want to see inexperienced teenage mutants getting beat up in the field, well she made the incorrect choice post Schism.

They solved a bunch of the worlds problems sure... the also unceremoniously imprisoned any one who disagreed with them without a trail. Even at his best Phoenix Force Scott was power made fascist who decided it was his way or the high way for anyone who disagreed with him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
bendis can **** off. the last time he wrote cyclops he ****ed it up. not again thanks.

Originally posted by Mindset
Just make this Cyclops a clone.

Comic problem solver.

Originally posted by Mindset
Just make this Cyclops a clone.

Comic problem solver.

They really should. Or it's a Skrull.

Originally posted by -Pr-
scott loves emma more than he ever did jean. she really set him off when she told him about namor.

not that this arc has been anything but a cluster****, but still.

That issue where Hope says to Scott, "You are going to turn away him because he slept with your wife? If we decided we don't help anyone who has slept with Emma there won't be a man on earth left to help."? Hilarious.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That issue where Hope says to Scott, "You are going to turn away him because he slept with your wife? If we decided we don't help anyone who has slept with Emma there won't be a man on earth left to help."? Hilarious.

Sounds like fanboy writing, tbh.

and Hope's "self entitled little *****" persona is getting old, too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
They really should. Or it's a Skrull.

He is obviously Ultron.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He is obviously Ultron.

Sure, why not.

Time for an M. Night Shyamalan twist.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And this explanation makes it seem that at least a considerable portion of the blame for this entire fiasco lies squarely on Hope's shoulders .

I put most of the blame on Tony. If it wasn't for him, then Hope would be on the way back to Earth as a Phoenix host and the Avengers would be shit out of luck.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The Avengers knew enough about the Phoenix to know that it is a dangerous cosmic force that is capable of destroying all life on earth and whipping out all of existence if it's so inclined. Which alone is reason enough to take SERIOUS precautions, even if Nova hadn't shown up and warned them that Phoenix was whipping out planets on its way to earth and Wolverine (who has been the host the Dark Phoenix himself) hadn't shared with them his knowledge / experience.

Cyclops wasn't preparing Hope for anything, he hadn't even told her about the Phoenix, she figured it out on her own and confronted Scott about it in the AvX zero issue. Hope wasn't being trained to adequately control the Phoenix, the X-Men were sitting around Utopia like a bunch of lunatics waiting for Zorp the Purveyor to incinerate them with his molten lava mouth. Scott was merely hoping for the best, and leaving it to blind faith, Cap and the Avengers did far more to prepare Hope for the Phoenix when they took her to Kun'lun then the X-Men ever did. By a huge margin.

Thor dropped Gabriel with a single gut check. Hope herself did far worse to the Lights before she escaped Utopia, plus if she didn't want to see inexperienced teenage mutants getting beat up in the field, well she made the incorrect choice post Schism.

They solved a bunch of the worlds problems sure... the also unceremoniously imprisoned any one who disagreed with them without a trail. Even at his best Phoenix Force Scott was power made fascist who decided it was his way or the high way for anyone who disagreed with him.

Nope , Scott did intend to train her to handle the power she was going to receive :
http://www.comicsblend.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/AVX1a.jpg
In fact in the above scan , Emma even mentions that it'll be "upto Hope" . They were reasonable before the Phoenix ended up possessing them(courtesy of Tony Stark) .

That Kun Lun introduction into the PF's history was completely unnecessary , but yeah you have a point here that the Avengers managed to get the opportunity to prepare Hope(unlike the X-Men who had said oppotunity snatched from them) .

Her reaction when Gabriel was dropped clearly indicated otherwise . And she still went ahead with the Avengers . No , wait a minute , in her own words she went "with her(Wanda)" . That was essentially rubbing salt on his(and almost the entirety of the mutant race's) wounds .

Except during the time when he decided to prove that hellfire Club kid wrong(when accused of fascism) and instead of killing him , chose to put him in prison .

Again , most of the supposed injustices they committed , were done so after they got possessed/corrupted by the PF , for which Tony is to be thanked .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And this explanation makes it seem that at least a considerable portion of the blame for this entire fiasco lies squarely on Hope's shoulders .

I put most of the blame on Tony. If it wasn't for him, then Hope would be on the way back to Earth as a Phoenix host and the Avengers would be shit out of luck.

Edit: then it would've been solely up to Wanda to correct it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Sounds like fanboy writing, tbh.

and Hope's "self entitled little *****" persona is getting old, too.

Emma's reaction was great .

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Rachel did alright... aside from the time she decided Beyonder was a threat to all of existence... so she should destroy all of existence in order to destroy the Beyonder first. Every time the Phoenix has shown up the host has gone Dark Phoenix.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
This is the scene in question which Srank was referring to :

Emma's reaction was great .

Yup. Hope had it coming.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I put most of the blame on Tony. If it wasn't for him, then Hope would be on the way back to Earth as a Phoenix host and the Avengers would be shit out of luck.

Edit: then it would've been solely up to Wanda to correct it.

That would be the ultimate insult imo , because the mutants were hoping for salvation at the hands of an entity which was responsible for their demise in the first place .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The Avengers knowledge wasn't comparable to the X-Men . For them , it was just another big-time Cosmic threat like Galactus . The X-Men had far better knowledge/experience of what the Earth was going up against .

Nope , Scott did intend to train her to handle the power she was going to receive :
http://www.comicsblend.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/AVX1a.jpg
In fact in the above scan , Emma even mentions that it'll be "upto Hope" . They were reasonable before the Phoenix ended possessing them(courtesy of Tony Stark) .

That Kun Lun introduction into the PF's history was completely unnecessary , but yeah you have a point here that the Avengers managed to get the opportunity to prepare Hope(unlike the X-Men who had said oppotunity snatched from them) .

Her reaction when Gabriel was dropped clearly indicated otherwise . And she still went ahead with the Avengers . No , wait a minute , in her own words she went "with her(Wanda)" . That was essentially rubbing salt on his(and almost the entirety of the mutant race's) wounds .

Except during the time when he decided to prove that hellfire Club kid wrong(when accused of fascism) and instead of killing him , chose to put him in prison .

Again , most of the supposed injustices they committed , were done so after they got possessed/corrupted by the PF , for which Tony is to be thanked .

The Avengers knowledge of the Phoenix Force is more than adequate, especially since none of them were blinded by the naive and completely baseless hope that the Phoenix would usher in a Mutant Renaissance. The also have Wanda's vision of the Phoenix Force killing the Avengers. Bishop coming from the future to stop Hope from doing something that will devastate the earth. Plus basic knowledge of the Phoenix Force. Scott was completely misguided from day one. He couldn't divorce his knowledge of the Phoenix with his own personal goals.

Hope's been with the X-Men for a long time and she received no such training. Am I supposed to believe that Cyclops really didn't believe she was the host of the Phoenix Force prior to AvX issue zero? Because Wolverine did. He sussed it out almost instantly, that was the whole reason he was so cold to her, trying not to get attached in case she went Dark Phoenix and he had to kill her. Cyclops was sitting on his ass post Schism and twiddling his fingers. If Iron Man hadn't interfered the Phoenix would have entered Hope only days after AvX 1, she wouldn't have and adequate time to prepare and everyone would be in a much worse situation then they are in now. Every single one of the Phoenix Five was in a better place to control the Phoenix then a hormonal teenager... and they were all corrupted with a fraction of the Phoenix's full power. Scott pinning his hope on the Phoenix and Hope was, a colossal mistake. He should have aligned with Cap day one.

Yeah the Kun'Lun stuff was stupider then the rest of event... which is pretty stupid.

Wanda has some experience with controlling world altering powers, as well hands on results with the consequences that happen when you can't control those powers and they control you. Rachel and Wanda are two people that should have been counseling Hope on this since day one.

Taking children and putting them in an maximum security prison without a trial is still fascism...

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
This is the scene in question which Srank was referring to :

Emma's reaction was great .

Emma likes to get athletic. If you know what I mean.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of this clusterphuck of an event , the PF ends up getting revealed as the Life-Force which powered Wanda .

That would be the ultimate insult imo , because the mutants were hoping for salvation at the hands of an entity which was responsible for their demise in the first place .

Yeah no thanks to Doom. (Jake don't beat me up). 😎

I'm rusty on HOM but Wanda was a wreck during that time. I wouldn't blame the entity entirely.

Anyway if this is revealed, then Mr. Master will have to no doubt acknowledge it. Wish I could see the look on his face afterwards. 😈