Arrow

Started by TheVaultDweller75 pages

Supposedly similar reasoning behind offing CW Deadshot, because of the Suicide Squad movie. Are the people doing the DCEU so intimidated by the television DCverse?

Oh look, this show is still terrible.

If it's for real, its bad and stupid. If it's a fake out with that unseen last request, it's still bad and stupid because they've already pulled the fake-out death with literally every member of the cast except Diggle and Lance. Also Laurel doing that to Lance would be abhorrent.

Also **** this show for having her last words be an endorsement of Olicity. **** this shit, I'm out. I'll skim the rest and then drop the show. No 5th season for me.

"Guggenheim said in an interview that when they wrote the graveyard scene at the start of the season, they didn't yet decide who was in the grave. They basically looked at the options and thought "who would be the most shocking" and picked Laurel. "

AHAHAHAHA FUUUUUUUUUCK this show is awful.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Supposedly similar reasoning behind offing CW Deadshot, because of the Suicide Squad movie. Are the people doing the DCEU so intimidated by the television DCverse?

they must be... i'm surprised they haven't said to cancel flash

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well...

Spoiler:
Andy is an a**hole, and now we're going to have to deal with Emo Diggle for the rest of the season, because he shares a big part of the responsibility by not listening to Oliver. And now Laurel is dead. Just when she started becoming likable again. Should have been robo-spine instead.

Indeed... 👇

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh look, this show is still terrible.

If it's for real, its bad and stupid. If it's a fake out with that unseen last request, it's still bad and stupid because they've already pulled the fake-out death with literally every member of the cast except Diggle and Lance. Also Laurel doing that to Lance would be abhorrent.

Also **** this show for having her last words be an endorsement of Olicity. **** this shit, I'm out. I'll skim the rest and then drop the show. No 5th season for me.

"Guggenheim said in an interview that when they wrote the graveyard scene at the start of the season, they didn't yet decide who was in the grave. They basically looked at the options and thought "who would be the most shocking" and picked Laurel. "

AHAHAHAHA FUUUUUUUUUCK this show is awful.


Wow, if that was their mentality when it came to the graveyard thing, then that certainly lowers the quality of all this for me. Having someone killed that you'd least expect or could cause the most shock does not automatically mean good writing. And if they're doing that as a cover-up for WB making them kill her due to having Black Canary in Justice League movie or whatever, then it's still shit too.

Man, I remember hearing that the main writers for seasons 1 and 2 that made the show mostly good at first, were moved away from the show afterward to focus on writing for the Flash. Good on them for making Flash the great (and now better) show that it is, but for Arrow to suffer this much for having a different team of writers is just... facepalm

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
they must be... i'm surprised they haven't said to cancel flash

With how it's the best received out of CW's DC lineup, perhaps WB at least has enough sense to know the hornet's nest they'd be whacking if they had the gall to cancel Flash.

^ There would be a massive outroar and shitstorm. I would somewhat seriously consider flinging my shit at them all the way from here if they cancelled The Flash.

Anyway, good news is that she's going to be on Vixen S2 and have a guest appearance on The Flash. Bad news is that she's the one who died, and not Emolicity or William.
Also, what happened at the end anyway? She was stable for a while. Did she fake her death?

And I'm not sure if it was a reference to it, but that 11:59 thing is possibly a reference to the doomsday clock.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
they must be... i'm surprised they haven't said to cancel flash

That would be a bit harder. Flash is the title character, and the show is insanely popular. There would be a riot if they decided to cancel it for the sake of the films. Especially if the film version is less well-received than the TV version. If anything, they seem to be trying to milk the popularity of CW Flash, and create some association between the movie and TV versions, so that casual audience members might get fooled.

I mean, from what I can recall of the Dawn of the Justice League special, movie Barry's mother got killed when he was a kid, his father took the blame for the murder and went to jail. He became a CSI and then got struck by the special lightning bolt... sound familiar?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That would be a bit harder. Flash is the title character, and the show is insanely popular. There would be a riot if they decided to cancel it for the sake of the films. Especially if the film version is less well-received than the TV version. If anything, they seem to be trying to milk the popularity of CW Flash, and create some association between the movie and TV versions, so that casual audience members might get fooled.

I mean, from what I can recall of the Dawn of the Justice League special, movie Barry's mother got killed when he was a kid, his father took the blame for the murder and went to jail. He became a CSI and then got struck by the special lightning bolt... sound familiar?

I agree

Hang on: Did Malcolm regrow his hand? Wtf? And didn't he say HIVE was ditching Dhark like, literally 1 episode ago? **** me, am I going crazy here?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hang on: Did Malcolm regrow his hand? Wtf? And didn't he say HIVE was ditching Dhark like, literally 1 episode ago? **** me, am I going crazy here?

I thought both of those things too. Either we're going to get answers soon, or the writers got REALLY lazy and the continuity checker has been comatose for the past month.

Fake hand maybe? I recall him having both hands covered in gloves, but I don't recall him ever actually using his left hand itself to do anything. He uses his right hand when he fights with a sword, and used his left forearm to pin Thea during their end fight IIRC.

Actually, he did carry the bag with the idol in that hand, but it was gloved up while the other one wasn't. Robotic hand then maybe? 😆

> stops a bloodlust Diggle from killing Darhk's wife/the mayor
"We can't be like them!"

> towards the end of the episode, tells Barry and Felicity after the funeral that he's gonna kill Darhk

They make Ollie a hypocrite again. =(

Well, killing Darhk to stop everything has more merit than capping his wife out of what basically amounts to frustration and vengeance.

This episode does have me wondering about the time line between Arrow and The Flash though, considering Barry is still without his speed on one show, but has it on the other. Either Arrow is still at a pre-depowered Flash point in time, or Wells delivered really quickly on his promise in the last episode.

Didn't Oliver retract his "no-kill" rule for Ra's? Seems like Darhk would fall under a similar category.

If Wells could come up with a way to give Barry's powers that quickly then why not do that as soon as possible?

The same reason Barry gave up his speed even after Wally was safe?

The appearances Barry and Oliver make on each others' shows has never really made sense as far as the timing, so I stopped trying to make sense of it awhile ago.

Well, they were back in sync with the Savage crossover, but things have changed again since then.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, killing Darhk to stop everything has more merit than capping his wife out of what basically amounts to frustration and vengeance.

This episode does have me wondering about the time line between Arrow and The Flash though, considering Barry is still without his speed on one show, but has it on the other. Either Arrow is still at a pre-depowered Flash point in time, or Wells delivered really quickly on his promise in the last episode.

Probably would have been mentioned on Flash if it were the former. Even though I would not put it past the writers to ignore that on the Flash (stupidity + spoiler reasons) it still seems like a huge detail to ignore.

So it is likely the latter, and Oliver also seems to be aware that Zoom is back.

Eh, either way, Barry is likely to be repowered pretty soon. The show has been renewed after all. Unless Wally somehow ends up with the speed now, but I can't see a noob Wally West-Flash justifiably beating a character an experienced Barry Allen-Flash couldn't. Though I have a feeling Barry is going to get his speed back and Wally is somehow going to end up with Zoom's.

For Flash's case, maybe they'll give both Wally and Jesse powers if that the route the show really wants to take to beat Zoom. Either way if restoring Barry's power could be done that readily, then that kind of makes the latest episode kind of pointless.

Also somebody should really do something about that troubled youth running around with a device that gives her superpowers.

Though it's not saying too much, best Arrow episode in awhile, today was.