Originally posted by UtrigitaNo, it's the fact that his powers have been shown to have increased, characters have commented on their increase, and we have incidents of Doom being taught magic to increase their power.
How much have Dooms level increased from then till now? Or is it simply more the fact that Doctor Strange own level of power have decreased?
Originally posted by Mindset
No, it's the fact that his powers have been shown to have increased, characters have commented on their increase, and we have incidents of Doom being taught magic to increase their power.
This.
It's been far from a one time sort of thing or just talk; Doom's increasing prowess with sorcery has been documented since the Unthinkable F4. And Doom managed to remove Strange out of the way back then, as well.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Don't get too caught up in those scans because Doc spanked Doom with the Crimson bands in Triumph & Torment. In the "classic era".BTW I'd like to see scans of Strange stating Dooms knowledge of the dark arts surpasses his. That statement holds no weight anyway because Doom has yet to demonstrate (on panel) the amount of power utilizing it like Strange has. Doc has temporarily destroyed a demon of the highest order (Shuma Gorath) with it.
Doom was schooled by Doc as well so there's that.
That scan has no credibility. Why? Because in the same arc, Magneto states that Wanda is superior to DoomPower levels were all over the place. Doc curbstomped Wanda in Avengers Disassembled. If we take these fabricated character statements (which I won't) to coincide with what's depicted on panel, then it would be Strange>>Doom>>Wanda.
In every way shape form and fashion as far as sorcery. Doom even flat out admits it. Even when amping his armor he still falls short.
If it wasn't for Docs shield, Doom would've been toast when they fought Mephisto. He freed Cynthia Von Dooms soul at the same time while it was being erected. Doom was basically just a bystander.
Proof (from Dooms own mouth) that Classic Strange is better versed in sorcery than him
To sum it up...Classic Strange was leagues beyond Doom. One failed attempt with the Crimson bands doesn't change that.
Cool scans, but again, that's Doom as of then, which is completely a different animal as to current Doom.
And Strange admitted Doom's superiority in New Avengers during the hunt for the new Sorcerer Supreme, claiming that if Doom somehow was found worthy of the mantle, they'd all be phucked something fierce.
In any case, it's pretty clear to anyone who's followed Doom for the past decade or even half of the decade, that his power level has increased substantially.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Classic Strange had feats with his sorcery that were beyond anything Doom has ever done with his magic. No statement or hyperbole can change that me thinks.
Okay. Doesn't change the fact that Doom's magic has increased significantly and is allowed the totality of his powerset (ie. his tech and armor) instead of just magic. And we have several instances where, in a direct comparison of the two, Doom is shown or stated to be > Strange.
Personally, I think in a random encounter, current Doom could best Strange before his nerfing.
There's absolutely no question that current Strange would get his shit kicked in by current Doom.
Originally posted by SundippedMagneto said that Wanda>Doom. What in the world does that have to do with Strange being > Doom?
That scan has no credibility. Why? Because in the same arc, Magneto states that Wanda is superior to DoomPower levels were all over the place. Doc curbstomped Wanda in Avengers Disassembled. If we take these fabricated character statements (which I won't) to coincide with what's depicted on panel, then it would be Strange>>Doom>>Wanda.
You're making no sense.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankNot to mention that the Disassembled storyline took place 7-8 years ago... And in that time Doom has improved by leaps and bounds.
Doc Strange didn't "curbstomp" Wanda in Avengers Disassembled, either.
Originally posted by MindsetIt doesn't. I was just confused by the point he was trying to make...
Anyway, how does Magneto's statement about Wanda's power hold more weight than Wanda's assessment of her own power?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Cool scans, but again, that's Doom as of then, which is completely a different animal as to current Doom.And Strange admitted Doom's superiority in New Avengers during the hunt for the new Sorcerer Supreme, claiming that if Doom somehow was found worthy of the mantle, they'd all be phucked something fierce.
In any case, it's pretty clear to anyone who's followed Doom for the past decade or even half of the decade, that his power level has increased substantially.
Of course. I was looking for the dark arts scans.
No ones debating if current Strange is at the same level. Whenever I see Strange in a thread I assume it's the classic version. Debating the current version imo is a waste of time and pointless.
Originally posted by Galan007
Magneto said that Wanda>Doom. What in the world does that have to do with Strange being > Doom?You're making no sense.
Yeah so how can Wanda say Doom is the most powerful when Erik states that it's not him but Wanda is?
Character statements = bullshit. That was my point.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Yeah so how can Wanda say Doom is the most powerful when Erik states that it's not him but Wanda is?Character statements = bullshit. That was my point.
Because Wanda knows her power levels more so than Magneto would? Especially since she's the one who's actively seeking people to help her?
Pretty sure, given her situation, her statements would hold more weight than her father's.
