Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because Wanda knows her power levels more so than Magneto would? Especially since she's the one who's actively seeking people to help her?Pretty sure, given her situation, her statements would hold more weight than her father's.
The thing is, how can she accurately gauge Stranges power?
Originally posted by MindsetHe knows of the dark arts, though I'm not sure how extensive his knowledge is in that area. However, it was his use of the dark arts that got him demoted from Sorcerer Supreme, when he used said magics to unite with Zom, iirc.
I thought Strange wasn't even knowledgeable on dark arts since he doesn't use them?
Tech+Magic=Dr Strange never doing well against this combo.Just ask Dilby 🙄
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DilbysMagicRobotVsDrStrange1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DilbysMagicRobotVsDrStrange2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DilbysMagicRobotVsDrStrange3.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DilbysMagicRobotVsDrStrange4.jpg
Dr Strange getting his ass handed because of Magic+Tech 😘
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DrStrangeDefeated.jpg
I think I made my case here 😂
Originally posted by SundippedCharacter statements can be suspect. But, Children's Crusade has feats also. You have to remember, Dr. Strange completely failed to inhibit Wanda's increased power even with Xavier's help in the leadup to House of M. Doom just ended up stealing that sh1t for himself.
The thing is, how can she accurately gauge Stranges power?
Originally posted by lawest9Use of dark magic, loss of his own confidence due to recent failures, he's on the outs with Agamotto, etc.
Exactly what caused Strange's magic level to lessen?
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaHere are some of the more tangible upgrades at least:
Is possible to numerate the confirmed upgrades he received ?The Morgana Le fay is one.
Cagliostro taught him everything he knew in Iron Man #149.
Dr. Strange tutored him for days in Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom: Triumph and Torment. He also recorded numerous magical stances and incantations of other magicians during the battle for the title of Sorcerer Supreme.
He stole all of Ceranda's magical power in Thor Annual 1999 who, together with the Enchanters, would go on to mess around with Thor and Mjolnir.
It was revealed that he was tutored by Radu in Before the Fantastic Four: Reed Richards #2.
He honed his abilities of using the Dreamtime in Fantastic Four vol.3 #30.
It was shown that he stole magical tomes from another dimension to increase his arcane power in Iron Man: Legacy of Doom #2.
Like you said, he learned from Morgan le Fay in Mighty Avengers #9-11.
It was revealed that he stole and possessed the Book of Vishanti for a while in Doctor Voodoo #1-5.
It was revealed that he was taught by the Marquis of Death in Fantastic Four #562-569. It was also revealed that he spent years under the Marquis' unknowing tutelage as he masqueraded as his new apprentice. Which he only did after spending countless years upgrading his own sorcery in order to be able to disguise himself from the Marquis' senses.
Most of the time, he just shows up and uses new spells, reveals new proficiencies in a particular art, etc. And then sometimes he ends up expanding his knowledge. For example, he studied the Destroyer armor and dissected Asgardians in Thor #600-605. That led to him being able to strip and utilize the Odinforce.
Originally posted by ODG
But, Children's Crusade has feats also.You have to remember,
Dr. Strange completely failed to inhibit Wanda's increased power
even with Xavier's help in the leadup to House of M.Doom just ended up stealing that sh1t for himself.
I wouldn't stamp Doom with affecting the same level of power
Strange/Xavier failed to affect.
Originally posted by Mr MasterAs Wanda was preparing to undo her "No More Mutants" feat in Children's Crusade -- which was her biggest feat ever -- and there was no hint that she wouldn't have been able to do so, I don't see where you came to this conclusion.
Yea but ODG, Wanda was far more powerful even in those precursors,
than her portrayal in CC.I wouldn't stamp Doom with affecting the same level of power
Strange/Xavier failed to affect.
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaHave no idea where this idea is from.
Is this true?This mean when he focus on science or tech he lost some of sorcery power ? Or vice-versa ?
Originally posted by ODGAs Wanda was preparing to undo her "No More Mutants" feat in
Children's Crusade -- which was her biggest feat ever -- and
there was no hint that she wouldn't have been able to do so, I don't
see where you came to this conclusion.
If I recall correctly,
she was only going to affect individual mutants across realities,
incredible feat nonetheless but not nearly as her truly "biggest feat ever"
which was rebuilding the Omniverse entire to its original state
minus the concentrated mutants she specified across Timelines.
She did that with the utterance of "no more mutants."
Then again, you pointed out Strange/Xavier being unable during the "pre" showing,
which while powerful, she also wasn't yet as uber as in HOM.
So you may be right after all. 😛
But she was definitely more powerful in HOM than in CC.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWanda was replicating the exact same attack from Avengers Disassembled on Avengers Mansion when she and the Young Avengers time-traveled. So in Children's Crusade, she quite literally matched what she did pre-House of M with summoned Ultrons and Kree and everything.
I was under the impression from the rest of the series, (including that scene)
she was de-powered in comparison with Pre & HOM.
(or the writers were ignoring her potential during CC)If I recall correctly,
she was only going to affect individual mutants across realities,
incredible feat nonetheless but not nearly as her truly "biggest feat ever"
which was rebuilding the Omniverse entire to its original state
minus the concentrated mutants she specified across Timelines.
She did that with the utterance of "no more mutants."Then again, you pointed out Strange/Xavier being unable during the "pre" showing,
which while powerful, she also wasn't yet as uber as in HOM.So you may be right after all. 😛
But she was definitely more powerful in HOM than in CC.
Then she was going to undo the No More Mutants catastrophe, with More Mutants. And she was, apparently, well on her way until Doom went and yoinked the power of the Lifeforce from her, the very power she used to do No More Mutants. I see no reason to think of her as being weaker when they were dealing with the same exact power source and same exact events.
Originally posted by ODGWanda was replicating the exact same attack from Avengers
Disassembled on Avengers Mansion when she and the Young
Avengers time-traveled. So in Children's Crusade, she quite
literally matched what she did pre-House of M with summoned
Ultrons and Kree and everything.
Originally posted by ODGThen she was going to undo the No More Mutants catastrophe, with
More Mutants. And she was, apparently, well on her way until Doom
went and yoinked the power of the Lifeforce from her, the very power
she used to do No More Mutants. I see no reason to think of her as
being weaker when they were dealing with the same exact power
source and same exact events.
The retcon which monkey wrenched the Life-Force into HOM's past history. You win.
Although, during HOM, the power was portrayed, while in CC,
I haven't seen anything that comes close.
I also understand that doesn't change the facts,
so I agree with you.
^ K. Of course, I do grant you: I can't definitively prove she was just as powerful as she was in House of M, because she didn't actually undo the damage. It's essentially a non-feat but the story didn't strike me as depowering her since she was preparing to tackle the very catastrophe she unleashed.
Originally posted by ODG
Character statements can be suspect. But, Children's Crusade has feats also. You have to remember, Dr. Strange completely failed to inhibit Wanda's increased power even with Xavier's help in the leadup to House of M. Doom just ended up stealing that sh1t for himself.
There's a difference though. In CC, she willingly allowed Doom access to the power under the pretense it was going to bring back the mutant population. Xavier and Strange approached her from a mental standpoint but encountered resistance due to Magnetos tampering. Earlier Strange stopped a pissed Wanda and he wasn't even trying to hurt her.
Originally posted by Igniz
Tech+Magic=Dr Strange never doing well against this combo.Just ask Dilby 🙄http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DilbysMagicRobotVsDrStrange1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DilbysMagicRobotVsDrStrange2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DilbysMagicRobotVsDrStrange3.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DilbysMagicRobotVsDrStrange4.jpgDr Strange getting his ass handed because of Magic+Tech 😘
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/The%20Dread%20Dormammu/DrStrangeDefeated.jpg
I think I made my case here 😂
You made no case. In fact it was a epic fail.
Dilby was empowered by Dormammu who in turn created the robot.
Dormammu>>>>>Strange as far as raw power, including power he can bestow. How convienient you left that out. sly
Originally posted by SundippedEarlier Strange stopped a pissed Wanda and he wasn't even trying to hurt her.
This tormented her so much she KO'd from the regret.
Originally posted by SundippedActually, Wanda used Wiccan specifically to safeguard against that very possibility. And if you think Wanda didn't want to be cured/healed when being treated by Xavier and Strange, you're fooling yourself. This allusion to Magneto's tampering is irrelevant.
There's a difference though. In CC, she willingly allowed Doom access to the power under the pretense it was going to bring back the mutant population. Xavier and Strange approached her from a mental standpoint but encountered resistance due to Magnetos tampering. Earlier Strange stopped a pissed Wanda and he wasn't even trying to hurt her.
Originally posted by ODG
Actually, Wanda used Wiccan specifically to safeguard against that very possibility. And if you think Wanda didn't want to be cured/healed when being treated by Xavier and Strange, you're fooling yourself. This allusion to Magneto's tampering is irrelevant.
What possibility? Wiccan didn't even know his powers were still functional. Once he was reminded by Doom, he promptly joined Doom and Wanda to open the portal.
I never said Wanda did't want to be helped. Don't know where that assumptio came from. ermm
And Magneto's tampering was relevant. Xavier stated so on panel.
Originally posted by Mr Master
To be fair, all Strange did was use the Eye of Aggy to show/make Wanda understand what she had just done (aside from killing several Avengers)This tormented her so much she KO'd from the regret.
I'll give you that.
He had to use the Eye to keep from using brute mystical force. He held back as long as he could. 😎
Originally posted by Sundipped
You made no case. In fact it was a epic fail.
Dilby was empowered by Dormammu who in turn created the robot.
Dormammu>>>>>Strange as far as raw power, including power he can bestow. How convienient you left that out. sly
👆
Nice one.The scan also showed Dr Doom is in league with Dormammu and Dilby is from Latyveria.It just shows Tech+Magic=Dr Strange getting beaten by a Novice Practitioner of Magic(Dilby).And even if you say Dilby's powers comes from Dormammu, you have to agree that Dilby is either gifted on learning magic from Dormammu or Dormammu is just darn good at teaching magic.Because even if Dilby possess that much power, his inexperience on magic would still come to play.But sadly, Dilby is also a kid of science.Dilby did what an empowered Baron Mordo failed to do BTW 😄
So Doom using Magic+Tech=A Mystical Doombot beating Dr Strange(Dilby style) 😆
