Originally posted by Sundipped
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It was all Dormammu. No matter how much technological savy was involved, it was the amp what powered and drove the robot. Strange had mystic bolts pass right through it and the Crimson bands failed. How else can you explain it?
And the there was a Baron Mordo powered by Dormammu who failed to beat Dr Strange 😄 Mordo should've done what Dilby did 🙄 Make a robot.And then empower it to beat Dr Strange 😈
And a lot of people here have pointed out that Doom's sorcery has improved.So Magic+Tech=Strange loses and Doom wins 😛
Originally posted by SundippedReread the first page you just posted. Wanda says she's going to use Wiccan's powers as a safeguard against Doom using her power. Wiccan denies he can help since he believes his powers to be taken, to which Doom just restores his ability to use them. So now Wiccan, with his powers restored, isn't going to use his powers as a safeguard as Wanda asked him to? He's just holding hands for the sake of holding hands?
What possibility? Wiccan didn't even know his powers were still functional. Once he was reminded by Doom, he promptly joined Doom and Wanda to open the portal.I never said Wanda did't want to be helped. Don't know where that assumptio came from. ermm
And Magneto's tampering was relevant. Xavier stated so on panel.
The allusion to Magneto's manipulation is, once again, completely irrelevant when stacked up against the clear obstacle Wiccan represented. Magneto, Xavier and Dr. Strange all wanted to help Wanda. If you think Magneto single handedly prevented Xavier and Strange from helping Wanda, based on a feverish dream scene where he asks Xavier to kill him and help Wanda continue her fantasy, is rebuffed despite veiled threats and then stands resigned, that's your cup of tea.
Originally posted by ODG
Reread the first page you just posted. Wanda says she's going to use Wiccan's powers as a safeguard against Doom using her power. Wiccan denies he can help since he believes his powers to be taken, to which Doom just restores his ability to use them. So now Wiccan, with his powers restored, isn't going to use his powers as a safeguard as Wanda asked him to? He's just holding hands for the sake of holding hands?
Don't really see the significance of this "safeguard" you keep mentioning. Doom in essence, allowed Wiccans powers to be incorporated which enabled the upsurp. Later Wiccan and Wanda opened the portal back and Doom (not even part of the circle, annexed even more of the power.
Originally posted by ODG
The allusion to Magneto's manipulation is, once again, completely irrelevant when stacked up against the clear obstacle Wiccan represented. Magneto, Xavier and Dr. Strange all wanted to help Wanda. If you think Magneto single handedly prevented Xavier and Strange from helping Wanda, based on a feverish dream scene where he asks Xavier to kill him and help Wanda continue her fantasy, is rebuffed despite veiled threats and then stands resigned, that's your cup of tea.
I posted a scan of Xavier stating on panel it was a combination of powers at work so where do you get this singlehandedly stuff from? You said Erik's tampering was irrelevant but the scan states otherwise. Now you're going off on a tangent and trying to compare the 2 cases? This is derailment at it's finest.
Originally posted by SundippedWell ain't that some ironic sh1et right here. arrrgh
Don't really see the significance of this "safeguard" you keep mentioning.
Originally posted by SundippedWiccan was Wanda's actual safeguard that was designed to prevent Doom from usurping power. REREAD YOUR SCAN. That was a function he served. One that failed, but certainly one that bears far more on your shallow assertion that Wanda simply let Doom have her power. And your attempts to distort, trivialize and wish it away aren't gaining any sort of traction.
Doom in essence, allowed Wiccans powers to be incorporated which enabled the upsurp. Later Wiccan and Wanda opened the portal back and Doom (not even part of the circle, annexed even more of the power.
Originally posted by SundippedWho exactly derailed this conversation when you brought in Magneto being emo sadsack in a feverish dream sequence?
I posted a scan of Xavier stating on panel it was a combination of powers at work so where do you get this singlehandedly stuff from? You said Erik's tampering was irrelevant but the scan states otherwise. Now you're going off on a tangent and trying to compare the 2 cases? This is derailment at it's finest.
On one side, you've got Strange trying to relieve Wanda (not even necessarily strip her of her uncontrollable powers), with the assistance of Xavier for months and irrelevant daddy issues surfacing in some random tie-in, and on the other side you have Wiccan actively trying to deny Doom usurping the Life Force and you're expecting us to conclude that Strange ended up looking better than Doom did when dealing with Wanda or that Doom's feat is to be diminished?
Da phuck?
At first I was gonna let this slide but....
Originally posted by ODG
Well ain't that some ironic sh1et right here. arrrgh Wiccan was Wanda's actual safeguard that was designed to prevent Doom from usurping power. REREAD YOUR SCAN. That was a function he served. One that failed, but certainly one that bears far more on your shallow assertion that Wanda simply let Doom have her power. And your attempts to distort, trivialize and wish it away aren't gaining any sort of traction. Who exactly derailed this conversation when you brought in Magneto being emo sadsack in a feverish dream sequence?
Wiccans safeguard is significant in what way again? He failed. Not that it matters what you think anyway. Wanda trying to guage Dooms power from using the dark arts to allow a nexus being to be permitted access to multiversal power is not a feat worthy enough to trump Strange. Don't even know why you brought that up.
Originally posted by ODG
On one side, you've got Strange trying to relieve Wanda (not even necessarily strip her of her uncontrollable powers), with the assistance of Xavier for months and irrelevant daddy issues surfacing in some random tie-in, and on the other side you have Wiccan actively trying to deny Doom usurping the Life Force and you're expecting us to conclude that Strange ended up looking better than Doom did when dealing with Wanda or that Doom's feat is to be diminished?Da phuck?
Da phuck is right.
You've now demoted yourself to facepalm status. facepalm
Why? Because your misdirection tactics are excruciatingly transparent.
You quoted my reply to Mindset with this:
Originally posted by ODG
Character statements can be suspect. But, Children's Crusade has feats also. You have to remember, Dr. Strange completely failed to inhibit Wanda's increased power even with Xavier's help in the leadup to House of M. Doom just ended up stealing that sh1t for himself.
So it was YOU who brought in irrelevant topics such as Strange and Xavier failing to help Wanda mentally. At no point did I insinuate Stranges troubles in events leading up to HOM were>>>>what Doom accomplished in CC. In fact, I even showed a scan stating that it was a combination of powers (Xavier, Stephens, and Magnetos) at work + the fact that a holding back Strange had no problems at all in a direct confrontation with a pissed Wanda, (before he used the Eye). You still continued your tirade and pointed the finger at me as if I was the one trying to compare 2 totally different scenarios.
How dare you try this to a veteran poster! 😠
Originally posted by Sundipped
the fact that a holding back Strange had no problems at all in a direct
confrontation with a pissed Wanda, (before he used the Eye)
Also, it was only two pages,
where Strange sneak attacked Wanda,
Wanda took it, basically unfazed,
then Wanda attacks him and he blocks it,
then Wanda re-created Dormy and used him as a weapon,
Strange definitely felt that, he re-composed
and used the Eye to show Wanda what she had done.
The realization of the horror she committed lead to a comatose.
Make no mistake, Strange made it clear in that issue earlier on
that Wanda was already controlling power beyond his abilities.
Imo, Dr Strange was about to get owned it seemed
until he pulled out the guilt card.
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There was no sneak attack. He called her name and got her attention first.
He dismissed that fake Dormy with ease. He wasn't fazed in the slightest.
IYO Doc was about to get owned, however my opinion differs greatly. Doc didn't even invoke any higher powers.
Oh well it is what it is. I'll still respect your opinion.
Originally posted by SundippedSo if I'm standing behind you and I yell out your name before I punch you in the face, it's not a sneak attack?
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There was no sneak attack. He called her name and got her attention first.
He dismissed that fake Dormy with ease. He wasn't fazed in the slightest.
IYO Doc was about to get owned, however my opinion differs greatly. Doc didn't even invoke any higher powers.Oh well it is what it is. I'll still respect your opinion.
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Originally posted by Sundipped
^There was no sneak attack. He called her name and got her attention first.
He dismissed that fake Dormy with ease. He wasn't fazed in the slightest.
IYO Doc was about to get owned, however my opinion differs greatly.
Doc didn't even invoke any higher powers.
He still snuck up on her though, she just reacted quickly.
If you notice, Doc had already let out his blast,
and then Wanda manifested a shield, with a gesture no-less before it reached her.
I never said that Dormy was special,
I was only describing the scene
which clearly illustrates he was fazed "in the slightest" of course.
Earlier in the issue, when Doc realized Wanda's capabilities,
it was clear he felt inferior. (I'll post the scans in a bit)
Doc didn't invoke "higher powers" but what is the Eye of Aggy then?
Granted it, he didn't use it as an offensive weapon to stop Wanda,
but he did use it to serve a purpose which would equal to the same affect.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Oh well it is what it is. I'll still respect your opinion.
Originally posted by SundippedIt's significant because he was an active overt obstacle to Doom obtaining the Lifeforce when you are the one who insisted that Wanda simply handed it over to Doom. What is not clear about this? Just because he failed, doesn't mean Wanda didn't care about Doom taking the Lifeforce. She didn't want Doom to have the Lifeforce. She actively sought outside assistance to prevent Doom from usurping the Lifeforce. So your estimation that Doom's feat of stealing the Lifeforce out from under her should be somehow diminished is completely ignorant. Not only did Wanda not want Doom to have the Lifeforce, she actually got Wiccan to help her prevent Doom from usurping it.
At first I was gonna let this slide but....Wiccans safeguard is significant in what way again? He failed. Not that it matters what you think anyway. Wanda trying to guage Dooms power from using the dark arts to allow a nexus being to be permitted access to multiversal power is not a feat worthy enough to trump Strange. Don't even know why you brought that up.
Originally posted by SundippedUh, no. You're the one who started acting like Children's Crusade contained nothing that would elevate Doom's status when compared to Strange. It did. Big time. Beyond character statements, which I agreed can be suspect. You tried to wave that off by suggesting Wanda just about handed over the keys to Doom. A stupid, ignorant statement as we just went over. You tried to act like Magneto daddy issues should be taken into account for Strange's problems with helping Wanda suppress her power. Another stupid attempt since Strange had Xavier's assistance, had him working on her for months, and the goal Strange set for himself was FAR LOWER than the one Doom planned on.
Da phuck is right.
You've now demoted yourself to facepalm status. facepalm
Why? Because your misdirection tactics are excruciatingly transparent.You quoted my reply to Mindset with this:
So it was YOU who brought in irrelevant topics such as Strange and Xavier failing to help Wanda mentally. At no point did I insinuate Stranges troubles in events leading up to HOM were>>>>what Doom accomplished in CC. In fact, I even showed a scan stating that it was a combination of powers (Xavier, Stephens, and Magnetos) at work + the fact that a holding back Strange had no problems at all in a direct confrontation with a pissed Wanda, (before he used the Eye). You still continued your tirade and pointed the finger at me as if I was the one trying to compare 2 totally different scenarios.
How dare you try this to a veteran poster! 😠
So Strange failing to help Wanda suppress her power with assistance from Xavier who worked on her for months, even with her daddy issues inadvertently hindering their efforts reflects absolutely poorly on him when Doom successfully managed to steal her power (a far harder feat), without any assistance whatsoever, and with Wiccan actively and overtly trying to prevent him from doing so.
That's about as black-and-white as it can get. And nothing really diminishes that in the slightest.
Originally posted by ODG
It's significant because he was an active overt obstacle to Doom obtaining the Lifeforce when you are the one who insisted that Wanda simply handed it over to Doom. What is not clear about this? Just because he failed, doesn't mean Wanda didn't care about Doom taking the Lifeforce. She didn't want Doom to have the Lifeforce. She actively sought outside assistance to prevent Doom from usurping the Lifeforce. So your estimation that Doom's feat of stealing the Lifeforce out from under her should be somehow diminished is completely ignorant. Not only did Wanda not want Doom to have the Lifeforce, she actually got Wiccan to help her prevent Doom from usurping it. Uh, no. You're the one who started acting like Children's Crusade contained nothing that would elevate Doom's status when compared to Strange. It did. Big time. Beyond character statements, which I agreed can be suspect. You tried to wave that off by suggesting Wanda just about handed over the keys to Doom. A stupid, ignorant statement as we just went over. You tried to act like Magneto daddy issues should be taken into account for Strange's problems with helping Wanda suppress her power. Another stupid attempt since Strange had Xavier's assistance, had him working on her for months, and the goal Strange set for himself was FAR LOWER than the one Doom planned on.So Strange failing to help Wanda suppress her power with assistance from Xavier who worked on her for months, even with her daddy issues inadvertently hindering their efforts reflects absolutely poorly on him when Doom successfully managed to steal her power (a far harder feat), without any assistance whatsoever, and with Wiccan actively and overtly trying to prevent him from doing so.
That's about as black-and-white as it can get. And nothing really diminishes that in the slightest.
I mean seriously, WTF is not computing here? 😐
You, and ONLY YOU are the one who first...BROUGHT THIS UP, thinking somehow I was trying to compare events from CC & pre - HOM when I'm telling you all this time there is no comparison to be made. I asked how can Wanda guage Strange's power and then you started this nonsense.
About Wiccan....who
In case you missed it the first time pay attention.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Wanda trying to guage Dooms power from using the dark arts to allow a nexus being to be permitted access to multiversal power is not a feat worthy enough to trump Strange. DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
About the unsuccessful Xavier/Erik/Steve teamup.... who
Really don't know why you're even hyping up a lackluster performance so much. Wanda getting ktfo in a direct confrontation with Strange>>>>>>>>>>>>>failed mental approach. Especially when it was her getting ktfo which led to her being bedridden in the first place.
All things considered, why are you still trying to compare these cases when the basis of argument is not in the favor of the assumption(you thinking I'm comparing) you're trying to push?
You know what......who
All I wanna know is which one was it, blatant misdirection or just a simple misunderstanding?
