Breaking Bad

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The only point where he got lucky while in the forzen car, was when pulled off that Terminator move and acquired the keys. He wasn't lucky when he gunned down the Aryans. And he was FAR from lucky when the Aryans came to kill Hank and steal his money.

It was mostly always his intellect which won the day for him, with some moments of luck thrown in for dealing with extreme cases like Fring.

Jesse referenced both so it is undeniable. No point in arguing as there are various instances where luck and intellect combined destroy anyone in his path.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Gillian also admitted on an interview that Gus Fring was the smartest man on the show, and Walt taking him out was a lucky move.

That just goes to show it: despite his badassery, Walt is still 2nd to The Fring.👆

Got a link?

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/s166/breaking-bad/interviews/a510056/breaking-bad-creator-vince-gilligan-talks-final-season-fan-theories.html

"That one was purposeful, yes. Specifically in regards to Gus. I would say at this point it's not looking like we're ever gonna see anyone as smart as Gustavo Fring. He was actually, I think, smarter than Walt, and yet Walt defeated him. It was like, the guy who shoots down the Red Baron has to tip his wings, drop the bouquet of roses and say, 'I was lucky to have bested you because you are the better man'. It's that kind of a thing. So yeah, he takes on those traits, I think subconsciously."

Originally posted by Mindset
Knew Jesse wouldn't die.

In the alt ending that will be featured in the box set, Jesse actually crashes and dies moments after leaving the Neo-Nazi compound.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was lucky he bought the time to grab his keys. His plan wasn't luck but getting his keys back was. Him avoiding jail time was luck due to him calling them off and them showing up anyway.

Jesse referenced both so it is undeniable. No point in arguing as there are various instances where luck and intellect combined destroy anyone in his path.

I disagree. Walt was one of the smartest men on the show, and the way he pulled off escapades like destroying Fring's laptop and stealing all that methylamine off the train were proof that 99% of his success was attributable to sheer genius and considerable hard work.

By default, he lacked the street smarts/experience at the game/ability to see how animals out there think that Gus had.

This showed when Walt would get a bit emotional.
As noticed by one of the guys who knew him best/longest:
"Walt you're the smartest guy I ever knew...but you're too dumb to see he made his mind up 10 mins ago.."

Now to balance this: Gus also could get a little blind when his emotional bell was rang, (if you know what I mean) and got sideblinded himself.

Both were incredibly smart guys, but Walt was a genius.
Gus was smart because he respected caution and procedure and has experience he could call on constantly in the game and had great insight into people. Well founded upon smarts.
Walt however was experienced in other areas and has free-floating smart. His IQ had to be above Gus by like 30-50 at least...

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I guess the show was bound to draw in the odd methhead.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Both were incredibly smart guys, but Walt was a genius.
Gus was smart because he respected caution and procedure and has experience he could call on constantly in the game and had great insight into people. Well founded upon smarts.
Walt however was experienced in other areas and has free-floating smart. His IQ had to be above Gus by like 30-50 at least...

I took it to mean the same thing. "Smart" is not necessarily intelligence. It's the ability to make the right decision when juggling several variables. Gus ran a very successful operation for many years...decades even?

Walt only got to operate at that level for about a year or so.

Did anyone else think that the song they played in the closing scene didn't fit the scene or the show?

I mean, before that they'd more or less stuck with a theme of sad cowboy songs.

I thought it was a great choice.

It was a that Walt had gotten away with it, provided his family after his death, beaten the odds, lived and felt exuberant, saved Jesse, punished the scum bags and even beaten the cancer. He was partly redeemed, went out among a reminder of the best times, and his devotion to science, the lab, I think the song fit that level beautifully. Also very 'not what you expected' which death often is.

Plus, If they'd got all grim music'd out, they would have been like trying to beat emotion out of the view in a heavy handed way, which isn't the show's style.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I took it to mean the same thing. "Smart" is not necessarily intelligence. It's the ability to make the right decision when juggling several variables. Gus ran a very successful operation for many years...decades even?

Walt only got to operate at that level for about a year or so.

Problem solving is intelligence. Not knowledge.

Don't forget though Walt had both sewn up.

What is up with people comparing Gus and Walt like this? Someone's success in a given field isn't determined by some exact measurement of an attribute. Especially not one as vague as "intellect". Running a massive underground criminal network was something Gus was suited to. Walt was not. That his personal life persuaded him to bow out of it is proof enough of that. That doesn't determine intelligence in any way and it's retarded how people think it is.

And the song was fitting. It was upbeat enough to emphasize Walt's victory, but restrained enough to not overshadow that he lost as well. The lyrics are very appropriate.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
By default, he lacked the street smarts/experience at the game/ability to see how animals out there think that Gus had.

This showed when Walt would get a bit emotional.
As noticed by one of the guys who knew him best/longest:
"Walt you're the smartest guy I ever knew...but you're too dumb to see he made his mind up 10 mins ago.."

Now to balance this: Gus also could get a little blind when his emotional bell was rang, (if you know what I mean) and got sideblinded himself.

Both were incredibly smart guys, but Walt was a genius.
Gus was smart because he respected caution and procedure and has experience he could call on constantly in the game and had great insight into people. Well founded upon smarts.
Walt however was experienced in other areas and has free-floating smart. His IQ had to be above Gus by like 30-50 at least...

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
This article explores the one thing that the show never fully explained, the last secret that Heisenberg took to his grave.

^ Read that yesterday.... true.. he did mention it was for a "few months rent" but I guess that was referring to the cash he accepted for his share in the Grey matter company.

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Anyone else notice Walt is dressed very similarly in the Season 1 Pilot and in the Season 5 Finale?

Season 1 Pilot:

Season 5 Finale:

Tan jacket and pants, colored shirt, the above pic is a yellow shirt but the first scene of the pilot in 2008 Walt is wearing a lighter green shirt & Y-Fronts, you know the one where he is holding the gun.

Oh and the Finale happened in 2011, its only 3 yrs after the show started not present time. Useless trivia but pretty cool.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
What is up with people comparing Gus and Walt like this? Someone's success in a given field isn't determined by some exact measurement of an attribute.

It's cause good ol' Vince made the comparison. That is kind of his prerogative.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
This article explores the one thing that the show never fully explained, the last secret that Heisenberg took to his grave.

Maybe I imagined it, but wasn't it said or, at least, heavily implied that it was because Walt had a relationship with Gretchen that went sour?

Anyway, the biggest question I have is what was Gus' mysterious past?

Was his past that mysterious? He was part of a rich family or something, met his lov- I mean friend and tried to get into Meth.

As for Walt I imagine it was something really stupid and petty that no-one else even noticed but seriously pushed his buttons - pride and ego - and cause him to flip out. Like, a passing comment or something dumb like that.

Yeah, it was. The leader of the cartel let him live because he knows who Gus is. Also, Gus is very adamant about keeping his past a secret intentionally erasing all records about his time in Chile.