Breaking Bad

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
There was no luck involved. Everything that happened during his final confrontation with the Neonazis was a calculated move, except maybe for the fact that Jesse was their prisoner and not partner as Walt had originally thought. It didn't make any difference though as all the Aryans ended up dead either way. You're the type of guy who blindly sticks by one opinion even when proven wrong, and you've done this countless times over and over before as well. How many times will you showcase this stubborn inability to accept and argue based on facts?

Lol, what does Walt's victory over Fring have anything to do with his showdown with the Aryans? With Fring, Gillian openly admitted that it was a lucky win, otherwise everything else we've seen in the show clearly involved Walt's technical knowhow and scientific precision. Luck only ever played a minor role in his success. As mentioned before, it was 99% genius and hard work.

A "lucky" win is in his powerset. I said luck is a part of his powerset. 😂

Walt with his brains and luck beat anyone he wanted to on the show which included dead Fring.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was lucky to get his keys back. He was at their mercy. I cite evidence you don't.

A "lucky" win is in his powerset. I said luck is a part of his powerset. 😂

Walt with his brains and luck beat anyone he wanted to on the show which included dead Fring.

Yeah, and Fring was his ONLY lucky win. Almost every other instance was him overcoming the hurdle which life threw at him through his intellect.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Nope. No luck there. It was a calculated move to lure out Jesse, whom he believed had partnered with the NeoNazis.

Yeah, and Fring was his ONLY lucky win. Almost every other instance was him overcoming the hurdle which life threw at him through his intellect.

Fring to me was more intellectual than most of his wins. He tactically lured foolish Fring into his death at the hands of a man who already had tortured hi . Walt is so cold for the manner in which he had Fring fringed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was a lucky move. He was powerless.

Fring to me was more intellectual than most of his wins. He tactically lured foolish Fring into his death at the hands of a man who already had tortured hi . Walt is so cold for the manner in which he had Fring fringed.

They were both extremely smart, which is the reason why both rose to the top of the meth empire of Albuquerque. Fring however was No. 1(as confirmed by Word of God from Gillian himself), and to date, that is one of Walt's few lucky wins in the show. Not the Nazis, but Fring.

Anyways, it's hilarious how you get things so completely backwards. Gus Fring's defeat, which was confirmed via Word of God to be a lucky win for Walt, somehow ends up becoming a tactically well-thought out intellectual victory, while the one against Nazis which actually involved the sum total of Walt's Heisenberg smarts, ends up becoming a lucky one. You've outquanned yourself this time, quan.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Yeah, and Fring was his ONLY lucky win. Almost every other instance was him overcoming the hurdle which life threw at him through his intellect.

I don't think that was luck, at all. He calculated that down like a master planner...kind of like we saw in the finale. That was a very well calculated plan, not luck.

I think it was lucky that things happened to fall into his lap that he could use i.e. Jesse having been brought to the nursing home and being able to tell him about Frings weakness.

His luck attributes are well noted. Jesse even commented on it to the feds.

But that doesn't demean or cheapen his genius and ingenuity.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
No, it wasn't. Everything in that final episode was showcased as Walt's last Heisenberg hurrah, and him taking out the Neonazis was him using his smarts. Todd was awed by the rotating machine gun apparatus. That's a very clear indication that the show makers intended it to be him taking out the gang that threatened his family with his greatest weapon: his mind.

They were both extremely smart, which is the reason why both rose to the top of the meth empire of Albuquerque. Fring however was No. 1(as confirmed by Word of God from Gillian himself), and to date, that is one of Walt's few lucky wins in the show. Not the Nazis, but Fring.

Anyways, it's hilarious how you get things so completely backwards. Gus Fring's defeat, which was confirmed via Word of God to be a lucky win for Walt, somehow ends up becoming a tactically well-thought out intellectual victory, while the one against Nazis which actually involved the sum total of Walt's Heisenberg smarts, ends up becoming a lucky one. You've outquanned yourself this time, quan.

Fring died. Thats what we saw. Fring is one of those coulda, woulda, shouldas who lost the Super Bowl. Walt is meanwhile holding the Lombardi trophy.

No luck was involved. He tactically learned the stupid Fring to his epic death. Rest in pieces, Fring.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was more luck than how he destroyed Fring. That's the best part is he needed less luck against Fring.

Fring died. Thats what we saw. Fring is one of those coulda, woulda, shouldas who lost the Super Bowl. Walt is meanwhile holding the Lombardi trophy.

No luck was involved. He tactically learned the stupid Fring to his epic death. Rest in pieces, Fring.

Haha, look at you trying to troll(and miserably failing at it) a fictional character like Gus Fring. Gus was acknowledged by the show makers as being the smartest guy on the show. Gus' death was acknowledged by the show makers as being Walt's LUCKY win.

Vince Gillian proves me right, while being quanchi proves you wrong. 👆

I think there was an element of luck to both the Fring scenario AND the neo-nazi scenario. I mean to put it quite simply, if the idiot who put the car keys on the pool table right behind Walt had not done so how was he supposed to activate his plan? Also Todd survived the massacre until Jesse choked him out, if Jesse was working with Todd and co that wouldn't have happened, (Of course Walt wouldn't have tackled Jesse to the ground, thus saving his life.) The Fring scenario, Walt played Gus like a fiddle, Gus' face when he realizes what's happening tells it for me, yes Walt had a lot of luck all through his Heisenberg career but he manipulated events to get Gus to the hospital, Walt deserves credit for killing Gus, as much as he does for wiping out the neo-nazi's. I guess Jesse summed it up best; "He's not just smart he's lucky."

^I disagree. He literally had the Nazis right where he wanted them. That key thing did appear to present a problem on the surface, but I am pretty sure Walt took that into account while planning the Aryans' demise. He was able to work around that by playing on Jack's hitman/mafia-head ego to lure out Jesse while he sneakily acquired the keys. The only reason Todd survived with them was because he too was on the ground trying to get them off each other when Walt pressed the unlock button on the key. Otherwise he would have died, which happened anyways. That was the whole point: Todd wasn't getting alive out of that either ways, no matter what. Same held true of his uncle.

Against Gus however, Walt was truly lucky to get Jesse to spill the beans regarding Hector Salamanca's rivalry with him. That was the one moment where Walt realized Gus would be vulnerable thanks to his emotions, just like Walt himself later on became vulnerable when Jess/Hank brought up the issue of his buried treasure. Otherwise, in all his previous attempts to kill Fring, Gus had been one step ahead with the primary example being Gus easily avoiding his bomb-rigged car which Walt intended to blow up.

As far as the neo-nazi's were concerned, it was a wonderful plan. If Uncle Jack had put Walt's keys in his pocket however, Walt would have had extreme difficulty carrying out his plan, that's why I do think there was some slight luck on his side, and hey, sometimes luck is making the most of a good opportunity.

Didn't Jesse describe Walt as lucky as well as smart? The character isn't some god that knows all and can do anything. That would be boring. He's in enough fortuitous situations to use his intelligence and knowledge to his advantage. Luck is a big part of his success.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Wrong. His win against Fring was one of the few things which Vince Gillian himself acknowledged was luck. Against the Nazis it was a calculated move, which was executed to perfection.

Haha, look at you trying to troll(and miserably failing at it) a fictional character like Gus Fring. Gus was acknowledged by the show makers as being the smartest guy on the show. Gus' death was acknowledged by the show makers as being Walt's LUCKY win.

Vince Gillian proves me right, while being quanchi proves you wrong. 👆

Gus died. Walt is better so who cares. He put his wits against Gus' and despite Gus' advantages he still was destroyed.

Jesse referenced Walt as being lucky as well as being smart. Walt>>>Fring. Fring died.

😂

You're wrong and you know it.

Originally posted by samhain
I think there was an element of luck to The Fring scenario, Walt played Gus like a fiddle, Gus' face when he realizes what's happening tells it for me, yes Walt had a lot of luck all through his Heisenberg career but he manipulated events to get Gus to the hospital, Walt deserves credit for killing Gus, as much as he does for wiping out the neo-nazi's. I guess Jesse summed it up best; "He's not just smart he's lucky."

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I'd also like to add that the only person who was truly driven by luck throughout the entire show was Hank Schrader. Dude wasn't even one-tenth the cop that someone like Mike was, but he still climbed up the DEA's corporate ladder pretty quickly despite only being an average, run-of-the-mill drug enforcement agent.

He should have been dead when the Salamanca twins tried to off him. Instead, luck intervened in the form of an anonymous tip from Gustavo Fring, thereby ensuring that Hank survived until one of the last episodes of the final season.

Hank had drive like none other though. He was stubborn as hell and had the best hunches outta anyone in the show.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Hank had drive like none other though. He was stubborn as hell and had the best hunches outta anyone in the show.

Yes, that's why I just can't relegate him to "lucky" or "lazy." He worked pretty dang hard.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^I disagree. He literally had the Nazis right where he wanted them. That key thing did appear to present a problem on the surface, but I am pretty sure Walt took that into account while planning the Aryans' demise. He was able to work around that by playing on Jack's hitman/mafia-head ego to lure out Jesse while he sneakily acquired the keys. The only reason Todd survived with them was because he too was on the ground trying to get them off each other when Walt pressed the unlock button on the key. Otherwise he would have died, which happened anyways. That was the whole point: Todd wasn't getting alive out of that either ways, no matter what. Same held true of his uncle.

Walt got lucky that the Nazi dude didn't force him to continue to park the car with the machine gun in the trunk, nose first, after Walt said no, while turning it around so that he can park it ass first.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, that's why I just can't relegate him to "lucky" or "lazy." He worked pretty dang hard.

Well, I say he was more successful due to his intelligence than he was lucky. But with what he went through, some luck had to be involved. But i'd say 80/20 intel/luck.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Walt got lucky that the Nazi dude didn't force him to continue to park the car with the machine gun in the trunk, nose first, after Walt said no, while turning it around so that he can park it ass first.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. We see him lure Fring along like a moron. Played him like a fiddle.

Gus died. Walt is better so who cares. He put his wits against Gus' and despite Gus' advantages he still was destroyed.

Jesse referenced Walt as being lucky as well as being smart. Walt>>>Fring. Fring died.

😂

You're wrong and you know it.

Walt's victory was a lucky win. Gus was admittedly the smartest man on the show. I have series creator Vince Gillian on my side while you have your own typical fanboyish obstinacy.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Hank had drive like none other though. He was stubborn as hell and had the best hunches outta anyone in the show.