Originally posted by -Pr-
I know how it's measured.If both fought Superman, Superman would hit Spider-Man more than he would hit Thor.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Can I ask what Thor feats you are basing this on? Because Spider-man's reflexes and combat speed feats are noticeably superior to Thor's...
Mostly his fights against people like Surfer, and his blocking feats. Then stuff like Jake and ODG (some, not all) posted in the past.
Originally posted by h1a8
True but that has nothing to do with reflexes (Thor has Mjolnir for defense as well). Superman is a smart missile (can change directions to follow Spidey) while lasers and bullets are dumb and can't change directions in flight.
It does to me.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Mostly his fights against people like Surfer, and his blocking feats. Then stuff like Jake and ODG (some, not all) posted in the past.It does to me.
Why do you have Hulk so low then? He's done everything Thor has in regards to reflexes and throwing down with Surfer and Glads, and other legitimate speedsters.
As far as I'm concerned Spider-man combat speed and reflexes feats are head and shoulders above Thor's. Everyone remembers Spidy blitzing Masterson, I'm sure?
See, there's no right answer. It's why the first few posts were pics and gifs. Spider-man has better quantifiable feats, sometimes even facing Thor and Hulk. But as soon as you start the ABC comparisons (Thor fought Superman, Gladiator, Surfer, etc. Hulk fought Thor, Surfer, etc.) then you have two competing theories that are irreconcilable. Welcome to comics.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
I dont think Spider man have best quantificable feats.Namor, Hulk and Thor alredy tagged or grabbed missiles, wich are much faster than bullets. Spider-man had problem to grab two bullets.
Pete has also snagged missiles. And run reflex-circles around at least Namor and Hulk in head-to-head matchups. And Masterson Thor, who ostensibly had the same power set. And Firestorm, a clear peer of many of these characters. The feats are there.
Also, in tracking down a missile, it's often a travel speed feat. They aren't juking around like crazy. We're talking reflexes here, not straight-line speed.
But I agree, all these characters have matchup-related feats where they face someone, and tag them, that should be much faster. Thus the irreconcilable differences I mentioned.
Originally posted by Digi
See, there's no right answer. It's why the first few posts were pics and gifs. Spider-man has better quantifiable feats, sometimes even facing Thor and Hulk. But as soon as you start the ABC comparisons (Thor fought Superman, Gladiator, Surfer, etc. Hulk fought Thor, Surfer, etc.) then you have two competing theories that are irreconcilable. Welcome to comics.
But Spiderman has also faced these people and looking at the way he went against them, I can see why people rank him so high. Look at his fight against Firelord, Absorbing man, Surfer, Masterson, hell, every Herald that he's faced got blitzed. Like I've said before, when it comes to fights, its hard to find someone matching Spiderman combat showings. People just need to throw their Pride out of the window and look at the truth.
Originally posted by carver9
But Spiderman has also faced these people and looking at the way he went against them, I can see why people rank him so high. Look at his fight against Firelord, Absorbing man, Surfer, Masterson, hell, every Herald that he's faced got blitzed. Like I've said before, when it comes to fights, its hard to find someone matching Spiderman combat showings. People just need to throw their Pride out of the window and look at the truth.
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As if truth exists in comics. I like the sentiment though.
I forgot about his fight with AM. Nice catch. I'd personally keep him above all but Surfer and maybe Glads on the list. But I'm usually - but not always - higher on Pete than the "room" so to speak.
Originally posted by Digi
Pete has also snagged missiles. And run reflex-circles around at least Namor and Hulk in head-to-head matchups. And Masterson Thor, who ostensibly had the same power set. And Firestorm, a clear peer of many of these characters. The feats are there.Also, in tracking down a missile, it's often a travel speed feat. They aren't juking around like crazy. We're talking reflexes here, not straight-line speed.
But I agree, all these characters have matchup-related feats where they face someone, and tag them, that should be much faster. Thus the irreconcilable differences I mentioned.
Grab airplanes missiles with the hand is not a "travel feat".
I agree with that : Namor, Thor and Hulk having more low showings of speed than Spider-man.
But they high-end speed feats are way better.
Hulk alredy tagged Peter with ease too for example.
The fight against Fire Lord and Materson is PIS imo.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Grab airplanes missiles with the hand is not a "travel feat".
I said "often." I was having to discuss a feat I hadn't seen, and I made that clear.
That's a good feat. All of these characters have good feats. It doesn't change the fact that SM's reflex feats are better overall. Go to his respect thread (DarkCrawler's, the newest and biggest) and find the reflex section. There's, no joke, hundreds that compete with that one.
Hulk tagging SM is also realistic, because he's not going to dodge forever. But if Pete can tag Hulk 10x before Hulk tags him once, he has better reflexes. I'd say that's almost conservative given their few matchups.