Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not when Thor literally grabbed him by his ankle after stating that and showed the reflexes to block an ambush from Wolverine with Mjolnir.
You understand that faster != untouchable? Aldo is faster than everyone he fights... he still gets tagged. Wolverine landed more hits, and avoided more hits... what about that some how casts a shadow over Thor claiming Wolverine is faster?
Also... he has better speed feats. 😎
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You understand that faster != untouchable? Aldo is faster than everyone he fights... he still gets tagged. Wolverine landed more hits, and avoided more hits... what about that some how casts a shadow over Thor claiming Wolverine is faster?Also... he has better speed feats. 😎
It means jack shit, really, as evidenced by their actual fight.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It means jack shit, really, as evidenced by their actual fight.
A fight where Wolverine avoided more incoming blows, landed more blows of his own, and was stated by his opponent to be faster? Yeah... that's what I thought. Thor grabbing Wolverine doesn't make the slate even... Wolverine was CLEARLY shown to be faster than Thor in that fight. No question about it.
Originally posted by Naija boy
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As far as reacting after the attack this is spot on.
But I based Spidey as being #1 simply because of his SS; when an attack starts he would have already reacted (Pre-Cog). This is why he can dodge light speed attacks by surprise.
So if Reflex speed = time to react after event then Spidey would have INFINITE reflexes since his time to react is 0. Where others, including Surfer, is a tiny fraction that is very close to 0.
Originally posted by h1a8
As far as reacting after the attack this is spot on.
But I based Spidey as being #1 simply because of his SS; when an attack starts he would have already reacted (Pre-Cog). This is why he can dodge light speed attacks by surprise.So if [b]Reflex speed = time to react after event
then Spidey would have INFINITE reflexes since his time to react is 0. Where others, including Surfer, is a tiny fraction that is very close to 0. [/B]
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.
Reflex is the speed in which you react to a stimulus. Him knowing a punch is coming doesn't make his reaction time infinite, because he isn't reacting to the punch in the first place, he is reaction to his Spider-Sense. In Spider-man's case, the stimulus is his Spider-Sense. The lag between the time his Spider-Sense goes off, and when he reacts to that sensation would be is reaction time.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.Reflex is the speed in which you react to a stimulus. Him knowing a punch is coming doesn't make his reaction time infinite, because he isn't reacting to the punch in the first place, he is reaction to his Spider-Sense. In Spider-man's case, the stimulus is his Spider-Sense. The lag between the time his Spider-Sense goes off, and when he reacts to that sensation would be is reaction time.
This is where you fail to understand the spirit of the thread or why the thread was created. Clearly the OP wants to know who can respond to external threats the fastest. The answer is Spidey. Who care's about his reflex to respond to his SS when he will still respond to an attack before it or as it happens?
What you speak is not interesting or relevant to a battle situation (in which this forum is all about). Why ask a question that's irrelevant to a battle situation? For all practical purposes Spidey can RESPOND to any instant threat faster than any character in this thread. The mechanical of how he responds is irrelevant in light of the spirit of the thread.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is where you fail to understand the spirit of the thread or why the thread was created. Clearly the OP wants to know who can respond to external threats the fastest. The answer is Spidey. Who care's about his reflex to respond to his SS when he will still respond to an attack before it or as it happens?What you speak is not interesting or relevant to a battle situation (in which this forum is all about). Why ask a question that's irrelevant to a battle situation? For all practical purposes Spidey can RESPOND to any instant threat faster than any character in this thread. The mechanical of how he responds is irrelevant in light of the spirit of the thread.
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Of course it's relevant, you are claiming that Spider-man's reaction time is ∞... and isn't. He reacts to the information he processes from his Spider-Sense the same as everyone else reacts to other sensory information. It's not an instantaneous reaction, which means there is a latency between the time he is warned of an incoming an attack, and the time his mind has processed that information and sent out the order to move out of the way. If Superman throws a fast ball at Spider-man he'll hit Spider-man in that gap of time between when Spider-man's Spider-Sense goes off, and when his brain sends out the order to do anything about it. The same isn't true for Silver Surfer, who may need to wait until he perceives the attack to react to it... but unlike Spider-man he would be fast enough to react.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
facepalmOf course it's relevant, you are claiming that Spider-man's reaction time is ∞... and isn't. He reacts to the information he processes from his Spider-Sense the same as everyone else reacts to other sensory information. It's not an instantaneous reaction, which means there is a latency between the time he is warned of an incoming an attack, and the time his mind has processed that information and sent out the order to move out of the way. If Superman throws a fast ball at Spider-man he'll hit Spider-man in that gap of time between when Spider-man's Spider-Sense goes off, and when his brain sends out the order to do anything about it. The same isn't true for Silver Surfer, who may need to wait until he perceives the attack to react to it... but unlike Spider-man he would be fast enough to react.
His reaction time to DANGER is infinite because he responds before the threat is even initialized, not after. Who cares about anything else? This thread is about reflex time, not speed. If Spidey had Superman's speed along with the SS then not even Superman can hit him.
What you don't know is that the SS is pre-cog and Spidey will move before the ball is thrown. But Spidey will get hit by Superman's fastball simply because Superman will adjust to Spidey's new position in early swing. Thus he is a smart attack. Lasers (dumb attacks) have been dodged by Spidey before they were fired. Lasers don't adjust while or even after being fired as they fire instantaneously (no swinging motion). To Superman throwing a ball is not instantaneous and thus his throwing motion can be adjusted in mid swing.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Spidey has also stated that while his Spider-Sense will alert him to danger, he still needs to be able to physically dodge said danger or react to it.
He sometimes dodges BEFORE the attack is even launched. This is why he has dodged countless laser and energy beams shot at him from all angles (including from behind). If a bullet will be fired at your head in the upcoming 2 seconds then you don't need to be fast to move your head out of the way. Just simply move before the 2 seconds gets here.
What's shown>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>what's said