Odin vs Team Speed

He can't act, true...but he knows what's going to happen.....precog, you see.

When an attack starts he would have already reacted (Pre-Cog). This is why he can dodge light speed attacks by surprise.

So if Reflex speed = time to react after event then Odin would have INFINITE reflexes since his time to react is 0. Where others, including Flash, is a tiny fraction that is very close to 0.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not if they hit him with galaxy cluster busting punches for 31.71 billion years worth of time. Remember an attosecond to a second is like a second to 31.71 billion years.

The problem is that Odin won't get to act.

Odin can't act before the bell. Also his reflexes suck in comics. The moment the bell rings he's frozen for 31.71 billion years (attosecond time to the flashes).

Try and stick to the comics actually show.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Lol. There's two types of astral form battle. One in the mind, the other is the astral form attacking the physical opponent. Odin wrecks them without even involving attacking the mind. Or Odin attacks their mind and wrecks them. T-Vo was performed how many times? And how quick is Superman to counter if Odin mindrapes him before T-Vo? The number of times S uses T-Vo is less then the times Odin has been written with cosmic awareness. Odin knows Supes would use T-Vo before Supes even thinks about it; the old man mindrapes him first before Kent even knows it. Who's T-Vo got when your opponent takes you out before you even think about it?

Odin then grows to epic proportions and omniblast the entire field.

Magic, brah. Intangibility? Loki can do that and he's a novice mage compared to Odin. Odin wrecks the intangible fool that even tries. Guy fights Seth on multiple planes of reality on once and wrecks galaxies. How many of these guys can fight on multiple planes of reality at once? Um, none.

What does loki being able to go intangible has to do with the fact that the team can bypass odin's force-field by being intangible?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's not going to happen. Odin knowing something via omniscience which he's not is less probable than superman dragging the old coot to the theta plane which is something he has done to an entity like dominus and kicking his ass there. T-vo was performed against Dominus, Adversary, Eradicator and the will of Presence about a dozen times which is probably more times than odin has mindraped someone. Wally pummels him anti-monitor style and barry spectre style.

Odin knowing about T-Vo means Odin attacking Superman any attack including mindraping before Superman even has a chance to pull off T-Vo. If he knows ahead of time, he would know Superman's head off before Superman could even think about using said attack on Odin.

What does loki being able to go intangible has to do with the fact that the team can bypass odin's force-field by being intangible?

The fact that intangibility is something Odin can do. It doesn't stop Odin from pummeling them. Being intangible isn't stopping the All Father from wrecking them. The guy harmed the Norse goddess of death, wrecks the cosmos in his fights, taps into Infinity the abstract, and wage battles on different planes of reality at once. Yeah, a group of speedster is going to beat this cosmically aware, mystic caster/warrior/skyfather?

Originally posted by iceman24567
No you didnt dont lie. You never acknowledged that you were wrong or lowballing

I did reply to you until you threatened me with a report in another thread. Hard to debate against someone that reports you all of the time.

😕

Originally posted by h1a8
Odin can't act before the bell. Also his reflexes suck in comics. The moment the bell rings he's frozen for 31.71 billion years (attosecond time to the flashes).

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Odin knowing about T-Vo means Odin attacking Superman any attack including mindraping before Superman even has a chance to pull off T-Vo. If he knows ahead of time, he would know Superman's head off before Superman could even think about using said attack on Odin.

The fact that intangibility is something Odin can do. It doesn't stop Odin from pummeling them. Being intangible isn't stopping the All Father from wrecking them. The guy harmed the Norse goddess of death, wrecks the cosmos in his fights, taps into Infinity the abstract, and wage battles on different planes of reality at once. Yeah, a group of speedster is going to beat this cosmically aware, mystic caster/warrior/skyfather?

Ironically superman has wrecked God of Death/His own death which btw destroyed entire creation to kill superman, broke time-space, beaten beings who oneshot DC's eternity etc. Barry has beat the phuck out of spectre, wally the phuck out of anti-monitor. You think only Odin has high feats?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, he's not that fast to take out superman. Knowing something=/=being able to act upon it ala Mr. X/Quicksilver. You are acting like only Odin has tried to take out superman that way?

What are you talking about? How does Superman deal with an omni-directional attack? Or a mindrape? Superman isn't even harming Odin with his speed at all while the All Father has warped space/time and fights in multiple planes of existence. How does Superman react when Odin attacks him physically, mentally, and mystically at once?

Odin turns into pure energy and wrecks the entire field killing this pathetic team.

Ironically superman has wrecked God of Death/His own death which btw destroyed entire creation to kill superman, broke time-space, beaten beings who oneshot DC's eternity etc. Barry has beat the phuck out of spectre, wally the phuck out of anti-monitor. You think only Odin has high feats?

WTF are you talking about? Do any of your characters do it consistently? Because they don't. Superman get his jaws broken in by Zod. A bum like Konvict pummeled him and WW. Died fighting DOS Doomsday. There's a laundry list to show Superman is consistantly on the level of top tiers/heralds. Superman is a herald level being like Surfer and Thor. Herald beings are gnats to Odin who's stomp them every time. Odin fights hell lords and skyfathers beats them down.

Odin's darkside:

Odin stalemating his darkside:

Which herald wreck Thanos like this again? Both Thor and Surfer wishes for this.

Yeah, team is so gonna beat Odin because they've got speed.

Originally posted by carver9
I did reply to you until you threatened me with a report in another thread. Hard to debate against someone that reports you all of the time.

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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
What are you talking about? How does Superman deal with an omni-directional attack?

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]You act like that's a low showing.

Anyway superman overpowers God's will of making everyone forget that hal jordan was spectre by T-vo

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=JLA207.jpg

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=godswillvstvo.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=godswillvstvo1.jpg

Even spectre seemed to be in shock upon hearing this

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=godswillvstvo2.jpg

Superman isn't even harming Odin with his speed at all while the All Father has warped space/time and fights in multiple planes of existence.

How does Superman react when Odin attacks him physically, mentally, and mystically at once?

He punches out of it.

Odin turns into pure energy and wrecks the entire field killing this pathetic team.

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Precrisis/?action=view&current=flashvsspectre.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Precrisis/?action=view&current=flashspeed.jpg

WTF are you talking about? Do any of your characters do it consistently? Because they don't.

Superman get his jaws broken in by Zod. A bum like Konvict pummeled him and WW. Died fighting DOS Doomsday.

There's a laundry list to show Superman is consistantly on the level of top tiers/heralds.

Superman is a herald level being like Surfer and Thor. Herald beings are gnats to Odin who's stomp them every time.

Odin fights hell lords and skyfathers beats them down.

Odin's darkside:
*skip*

Oneshotting kismet

http://i52.tinypic.com/plk3n.jpg

Here is Dominus choking out DC's eternity like a *****

http://i55.tinypic.com/2q3pxsp.jpg

Need me to remind what happened when superman dragged him to theta state? Or do you want me to post superman singing out a being who was dragging the entire multiverse alongside him?

Which herald wreck Thanos like this again? Both Thor and Surfer wishes for this.
*skip*

Untill starlin retconned Ka-zar did.😛 Surfer destroyed the body of original thanos if you want to know. Drax owned him by an anti-matter mine however weakened he was. Guess that's better than odin too. ABC logic does not work here.

Yeah, team is so gonna beat Odin because they've got speed. [/B]

Originally posted by Silent Master
Try and stick to the comics actually show.

This is a CIS off fight. Comics don't show CIS off.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is a CIS off fight. Comics don't show CIS off.

You still have to stick with what they are shown capable of in the comics, so show me examples of them throwing "galaxy cluster busting punches for 31.71 billion years worth of time".

Originally posted by Silent Master
You still have to stick with what they are shown capable of in the comics, so show me examples of them throwing "galaxy cluster busting punches for 31.71 billion years worth of time".

In comics, it explains that the IMP is based of relativity. The closer one moves to the speed of light then the more mass they gain. There is no limit to how much mass they can punch with. That is why it's called the infinite mass punch.

Also in comics Flash has attosecond reaction times. An attosecond to a second is like a second to 31.71 billion years. This is just simple math. With CIS off, Flash would view a single second as 31.71 billion years. Imagine attacking someone for 31.71 billion years where each attack is very powerful.

Originally posted by h1a8
In comics, it explains that the IMP is based of relativity. The closer one moves to the speed of light then the more mass they gain. There is no limit to how much mass they can punch with. That is why it's called the infinite mass punch.

Also in comics Flash has attosecond reaction times. An attosecond to a second is like a second to 31.71 billion years. This is just simple math. With CIS off, Flash would view a single second as 31.71 billion years. Imagine attacking someone for 31.71 billion years where each attack is very powerful.

But Odin knows what's going to happen, and thus has infinite reflex speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You were laughing at the idea of this team even harming odin. Bad move for odin, in astral form T-vo reigns supreme.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol

Originally posted by h1a8
In comics, it explains that the IMP is based of relativity. The closer one moves to the speed of light then the more mass they gain. There is no limit to how much mass they can punch with. That is why it's called the infinite mass punch.

Also in comics Flash has attosecond reaction times. An attosecond to a second is like a second to 31.71 billion years. This is just simple math. With CIS off, Flash would view a single second as 31.71 billion years. Imagine attacking someone for 31.71 billion years where each attack is very powerful.

Translation: The Flash has never actually shown himself capable of this in a comic.

Originally posted by h1a8
In comics, it explains that the IMP is based of relativity.

I mean, I get what you are trying to do, trying to apply a real-world standard to the comics, but that simply does not work. If you were to actually apply the reality of physics into what we see in comics, then you'd get what I just outline: Lightspeed speedsters who can't actually act while moving that fast, and without any capability of harming anything. Stick to what the feats show an IMP can do, if the feats show that Flash's fist contains the kinetic energy necessary to pulverise a galaxy, fine, but don't insert your pseudo-science into the feat in some half-baked attempt to inflate the feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Translation: The Flash has never actually shown himself capable of this in a comic.

Yet he has been proven to be capable of this in a comic though. Remember he fights with CIS on in a comic and CIS off here.

Originally posted by NemeBro
If that were indeed entirely true, then Flash and anyone who actually reaches the speed of light would find themselves frozen in time, due to time dilation, as at the speed of light time doesn't just slow for the individual, it stops completely. Not only that, but according to physics, it is only possible for something with no mass to achieve luminal speed, no mass = no force.

I mean, I get what you are trying to do, trying to apply a real-world standard to the comics, but that simply does not work. If you were to actually apply the reality of physics into what we see in comics, then you'd get what I just outline: Lightspeed speedsters who can't actually act while moving that fast, and without any capability of harming anything. Stick to what the feats show an IMP can do, if the feats show that Flash's fist contains the kinetic energy necessary to pulverise a galaxy, fine, but don't insert your pseudo-science into the feat in some half-baked attempt to inflate the feat.

NO! The comic actually states that the closer one gets to the speed of light then the more mass they gain. Who cares about science in the real world? The comic stated what happens in its own universe. This is proof enough. So if flash gets as close to the speed of light as he wants (in a CIS off situation) then he can annihilate Odin in one blow.

But he can also annihilate Odin another route as well, by punching him for 31.71 billion years. Galaxy IMP or not Odin should be dead by then.

Not with Odin's infinite reflex speed, he's not.