Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Pre-Crises feats? What's your point again? Did he perform this post crises or something?Here's post crises against a pansy Probe.
Yeah it is. Superman on average is herald level. How can you say he isn't on that level consistantly when everything he does most high heralds and top tiers have done as well?
Which isn't Odin. Heck, I counter that. Heimdall with a fraction of Odin's power against Masterson Thor. So much for your nonsense. I've got instances, where Odin is poisoned and still wrecked an amped Annihilus in one shot whereas Thor failed to defeat after consistent battle.
And who are these ants again? Did one beat him or all? It's one low point that's it. You got more than this? Odin consistently crushes top tiers and heralds and beats down skyfathers and hell lord class beings. Superman good showings against these guys but not consistently. He doesn't always beat or stalemate skyfathers or treat herald/top tiers like children.
And Thor absorbed enough power to destroy 1/5 the universe into Mljornir. BRB cracked Galactus' armor. Odin would still stomp both of them.
Where does he one shot Mordru. Scans? Yes, I'll take this route. You have few poor examples and try to play it up while taking the high end feats to try and play up these herald level hero? Please, Odin one-pimp Surfer, Annihilus, Ulik, and Drax. He beat skyfather level beings like Forsung, Majestrix Zehlia, Seth, Infinity, Surtur, and Ymir.
Superman has troubles with punks like Zod and Konvict among a list of other bricks. His average isn't comparable to Odin's who's average is beating up other skyfathers.
So Kismet is a jobber like Eternity? That's your point? So your point is that Superman is high abstract now? How would T-Vo help him when Odin already knocked him out? Does T-Vo work when he's unconscious on the floor or dead? Superman pulls out T-Vo every time? Odin has pre-cog and would knock this chump out before he even decides to use T-Vo.
Check out abstract Superman getting beaten up by a low herald that either Thor or Surfer would wreck. Where's you T-Vo now?
What's retconned is considered retcon. Nobody brings up PC feats unless poster states it's from start. Surfer destroyed which body? The first? Go read Thanos Quest where Death gave him a second body that was far more powerful than the first. He walked all over Surfer, Thor, and Drax in his second body. As for Drax, that was his 3rd body. No status was given on how it compared to the second. But the second was specifically stated to be more powerful than the first. Get your facts straight. Odin fought Thanos in his second body.
You're as bad as those you argue against.
