Originally posted by Nephthys
He was confused about where the Jedi were that he was told about. Or he was out of range. Regardless he does it easily enough when confronted by the Exile and so does Traya when confronting the Jedi Masters.
"Then her lies will mean the planet's destruction, he will destroy all of Telos. He will turn it to fire again and crush the planet beneath him."
―Visas Marr (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)
"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station, he will cleanse it of life. Even if the people below are not Force Sensitive, the small amount he can feed on from the mass destruction of the station, and the life of the planet, will sustain him a while longer."
―Tobin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It says his forces were met by Republic forces upon getting to Telos. 😬Then again, I see where different interpretations can come from that quote.
As the Exile recovered from this encounter, Kreia deliberately enticed the terrible Darth Nihilus to the planet Telos Four. Nihilus prepared to devour all life on the planet, and Nihilus's dreadnought, the Ravager, was met by the Republic Navy and Mandalorian forces. During the battle, the Exile boarded the Ravager and faced Nihilus. Unable to devour the Exile as he had so many others, Nihilus was finally defeated. With Telos safe, the Exile pursued Kreia.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic
The codex entry does not implies what you are asserting.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nihilus may not have been disappointed by the lack of large concentration of Force-sensitives on Telos IV but he decided to unleash Force Drain powers on Telos IV irrespective of this."Then her lies will mean the planet's destruction, he will destroy all of Telos. He will turn it to fire again and crush the planet beneath him."
―Visas Marr (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)
"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station, he will cleanse it of life. Even if the people below are not Force Sensitive, the small amount he can feed on from the mass destruction of the station, and the life of the planet, will sustain him a while longer."
―Tobin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)
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I already know about this. It just means that he'd eventually consume the planet anyway, not that he wasn't still perplexed at the lack of force users and trying to sense them.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nihilus needs to 'prepare' to perform Force Drain on planetary-scale as well. How he prepares is unclear but his preparation effort gives the vibe of a ritual to me ("My people never saw his face when he struck—but they heard his voice. When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died." - Visas Marr). Nihilus also drew strength from his followers. Not that this takes away from Nihilus' showing since rituals represent most powerful expressions of the Force because they require greater concentration and utilization of energy to perform.As for the ritual orchestrated by Vitiate, thousands of Sith Lords performed it to create the largest nexus of the dark side ever on Medriaas. But Vitiate turned on his followers and drew on the power of the nexus to consume all biota on Medriaas (including the Sith Lords who aided him). This nexus-augmented Force Drain attack was so powerful that it utterly obliterated even the physical bodies of every living being it touched, destroyed the atmosphere of Medriaas, and even consumed the Force energy itself surrounding the planet.
While you claim that the ritual was beneficial to Vitiate, it was not. Vitiate took as much risk as any other participant, difference is that Vitiate was already supremely strong in the dark side and therefore able to control the outcome of the ritual.
Vitiate, as his power grew and command of the dark side increased with passage of time, eventually acquired the strength to pull-off Nathema on his own (during the era of Revan perhaps). However, he became focused on preparations for a ritual of much greater scope and did not risk performing Nathema again or his plans would have been compromised.
Have you read the novel? Exile healed after the events of KoTOR II.
See above.
Also, do keep in mind that Visas Marr survived Nihilus' attack on Katarr but was unconscious when Nihilus found her. Therefore, your assertion that Nihilus manages to eliminate the physical bodies of his victims with his Force Drain powers, is unfounded.
1. Nihilus needs no preparation to do that. What Visas meant was that she literally heard his voice,Nihilus really has an echoing voice that freaks me out,she even says when he speaks other feel in pain or are mindrapped,like his zombie crew.
Why in the **** would Vitiate want to create a ritual in which he could die too!? It clearly says that Vitiate fooled the 8000 Dark Lords or mindtrapped them creating a dark side ritual that was truly meant to make him stronger.
2. Vitiate may have had imitated to an extent Nihilus' condition,but still it isn't the same,it wasn't as cut and as dry as Katarr was. On Katarr just as on Nathema there is no life,no bones.
Look here dude,that the Exile walked on Malachor V(a major void in the Force) with ease,
The Exile is able to walk on Malachor V without issue. Walking on Malachor V is described as feeling it crushing every cell of one's being, and being buried alive until it seems you will never breathe again:
"To walk on its surface is to feel it crushing every cell of your being. It is like being buried alive until it feels like you may never breathe again..."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
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You are really a Vitiate boy! 🙂
"He turned them into slaves to his will, forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims."
―Darth Nyriss
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is a chance based game.Vitiate' defensive abilities are very very good. And it would be unwise to assume that Vitiate does not have knowledge of applications of Force Drain and Sever Force. Vitiate arguably used Sever Force technique to strip Drammath from his powers and he was only 10 during this encounter. Though it is unclear if Nihilus' attack can be countered (open to speculation). However, Vitiate can eliminate Nihilus without much effort.
Is there any evidence that suggests that Vitiate can do it reasonable? I thought he did that relied on pure instinct or unconsciously? 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Recheck:As the Exile recovered from this encounter, Kreia deliberately enticed the terrible Darth Nihilus to the planet Telos Four. Nihilus prepared to devour all life on the planet, and Nihilus's dreadnought, the Ravager, was met by the Republic Navy and Mandalorian forces. During the battle, the Exile boarded the Ravager and faced Nihilus. Unable to devour the Exile as he had so many others, Nihilus was finally defeated. With Telos safe, the Exile pursued Kreia.
Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic
The codex entry does not implies what you are asserting. [/B]
It is pretty safe to say if Nihilus did that through a ritual,then we should have had seen him making a circle,have some candles some pots or something like that.
None says that Nihilus does it in one second,but he literally does it in 30 minutes or even less,when we speak about planets.
Here why is Nihilus how he is:
1. He was made on a poor engine,Odyssey has only Neverwinter ever released in comparision with SW TFU who has more than one engine,which are among the best IMHO.
2. He wasn't able to kill your friends because he was weakened by feeding off of the dead planet(no big meal) which for him is a bigger "void" than the Exile,apparently when Nihilus starts to feed he can't stop the process,like how he let you to enter in the Ravager and didn't show up. The Exile defeated his Shadowtroopers and Sith assassins among others,which decreased even more Nihilus' power. Finally when he was already starved and weakened,he tried to feed upon the Exile based on instinct since he couldn't think anymore,Visas disrupted their bond,Nihilus' powers decreased dramatically,yet he was still able to freeze you and your crew,and put up a good fight against three opponents.
As I said he's not the source of his power. While he eats for unlimited time and gains unlimited power,he can lose his powers almost in a fraction of second if he's weakened and starved or attempts to feed off of a void or a place with no big food(though Exile gets better in lightsaber combat after defeating Nihilus)
3.Chris Avellone has only KotOR II ever made... So sure he doesn't know Star Wars so well...
4.Except Luceno,Lucas,Veitch or Drew(might forgetting someone) some don't know the diversity of Force powers,they don't know that from TK other abilities can result like you can destroy or desintegrate a mere human with such a power like Nihilus held. Starkiller does it on cutscenes in SW TFU,and he barely redirected a Star Destroyer,that feat almost killed him in fact,that just doesn't make any sense.
See that's why.. 😉
The thing is that Nihilus when he's starved and weakened he is not like Plagueis for example (who was weakened but still had enough TK to desintegrate some normal people) or any other Force user,they still have their reserves,but Nihilus once is exhausted and starved he loses his potency in Force,to the point that his TK used him to hold the Ravager just. But here's the catch: While a Force user can get amped on a Force nexus,he or she receives of course those energies and uses as he or she pleases,but once they leave the nexus they return to their normal condition,yet Nihilus gets no amp,he instead consumes the said so "amp" and kills the Force in turn growing stronger,but if it happens for him to make a shit like with the Exile then he will lose all that power.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
1. Nihilus needs no preparation to do that. What Visas meant was that she literally heard his voice,Nihilus really has an echoing voice that freaks me out,she even says when he speaks other feel in pain or are mindrapped,like his zombie crew.
This datacron holds unheard of power and knowledge collected by an ancient race. You access its power and discover writings which are clearly only one small piece of a massive galactic history: The forces of the Sith Triumvirate had hunted the Jedi almost to extinction. The Jedi Exile, cut off from the Force, went in search of the remaining Jedi Masters and, perhaps, an explanation. But the Exile's mentor, Kreia, had other plans–when the Exile finally gathered the Masters, Kreia slew them all. As the Exile recovered from this encounter, Kreia deliberately enticed the terrible Darth Nihilus to the planet Telos Four. Nihilus prepared to devour all life on the planet, and Nihilus's dreadnought, the Ravager, was met by the Republic Navy and Mandalorian forces. During the battle, the Exile boarded the Ravager and faced Nihilus. Unable to devour the Exile as he had so many others, Nihilus was finally defeated. With Telos safe, the Exile pursued Kreia.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic
The Battle of Telos IV is among the events of KoTOR II, and I presume that you have played this game. So if are to assume that Darth Nihilus have the ability to insta-drain his targets on "planetary-scale," why he failed to do so in the case of Telos IV?
The argument - that their weren't enough Force-sensitives on Telos IV - is weak. Ability matters, quality of the targets are irrelevant.
Yes, Visas heard his voice during the attack. So what does this indicates? A Force power doesn't produces voices on its own. This is most likely an act of Sith Sorcery or ritualistic Force power; casting of a spell in short.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Why in the **** would Vitiate want to create a ritual in which he could die too!? It clearly says that Vitiate fooled the 8000 Dark Lords or mindtrapped them creating a dark side ritual that was truly meant to make him stronger.
Meetra was no expert on dark side sorcery, but it was safe to assume Vitiate not only survived the ritual, but emerged more powerful than ever. And with the destruction of everyone on Nathema—including his research team—he alone would have known the location of Dromund Kaas.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
2. Vitiate may have had imitated to an extent Nihilus' condition,but still it isn't the same,it wasn't as cut and as dry as Katarr was. On Katarr just as on Nathema there is no life,no bones.
My understanding is that Nihilus can kill his targets with his Force Drain powers, but he doesn't consumes their physical bodies.
Vitiate's ritualistic or nexus-augmented drain attack was so potent that it consumed even the physical bodies of his targets.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Look here dude,that the Exile walked on Malachor V(a major void in the Force) with ease,The Exile is able to walk on Malachor V without issue. Walking on Malachor V is described as feeling it crushing every cell of one's being, and being buried alive until it seems you will never breathe again:
"To walk on its surface is to feel it crushing every cell of your being. It is like being buried alive until it feels like you may never breathe again..."
Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
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The events of Malachor had left a mark on the Force; a wound that would not heal. Here, however, the Force was simply … gone. It was as if
someone had ripped it away, leaving only an empty void behind.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Nathema was even more torturous then Malachor V. Meetra Surik really struggled to function on Nathema for even a short duration.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
You are really a Vitiate boy! 🙂
"You are mine. Servants. Slaves. Weapons. And you will obey…"
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
"He turned them into slaves to his will, forcing them to participate in the most complex ritual of Sith sorcery ever attempted. Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims."
―Darth Nyriss
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
It is pretty safe to say if Nihilus did that through a ritual,then we should have had seen him making a circle,have some candles some pots or something like that.
Sith Sorcery can be performed in the same manner as normal attempts to manipulate the Force. However, Sith Sorcery may involve use of techniques to manipulate the Force in superior ways then it is possible with pure instincts. 🙂
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
None says that Nihilus does it in one second,but he literally does it in 30 minutes or even less,when we speak about planets.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Here why is Nihilus how he is:1. He was made on a poor engine,Odyssey has only Neverwinter ever released in comparision with SW TFU who has more than one engine,which are among the best IMHO.
2. He wasn't able to kill your friends because he was weakened by feeding off of the dead planet(no big meal) which for him is a bigger "void" than the Exile,apparently when Nihilus starts to feed he can't stop the process,like how he let you to enter in the Ravager and didn't show up. The Exile defeated his Shadowtroopers and Sith assassins among others,which decreased even more Nihilus' power. Finally when he was already starved and weakened,he tried to feed upon the Exile based on instinct since he couldn't think anymore,Visas disrupted their bond,Nihilus' powers decreased dramatically,yet he was still able to freeze you and your crew,and put up a good fight against three opponents.
As I said he's not the source of his power. While he eats for unlimited time and gains unlimited power,he can lose his powers almost in a fraction of second if he's weakened and starved or attempts to feed off of a void or a place with no big food(though Exile gets better in lightsaber combat after defeating Nihilus)
3.Chris Avellone has only KotOR II ever made... So sure he doesn't know Star Wars so well...
4.Except Luceno,Lucas,Veitch or Drew(might forgetting someone) some don't know the diversity of Force powers,they don't know that from TK other abilities can result like you can destroy or desintegrate a mere human with such a power like Nihilus held. Starkiller does it on cutscenes in SW TFU,and he barely redirected a Star Destroyer,that feat almost killed him in fact,that just doesn't make any sense.
Nihilus was very powerful and dangerous but he had vulnerabilities that were eventually exploited by his enemies. His prime vulnerability was that he was not stable by virtue of his condition, he had to continuously depend upon others to fuel his power and would weaken otherwise. Cut his food supply or prevent him from feeding on others, and he can be stopped.
While Meetra Surik had to depend upon her allies and Wound condition to stop Nihilus, Vitiate have all the necessary qualities that enable him to outright outgun Nihilus in a confrontation.
Vitiate have immortality, superior strength, superior command of the dark side, and ability to drain targets from even light-years distances. Nihilus is simply outclassed in comparison. Nihilus might be immune to Force Drain powers but he is not immune to other external threats (including many Force powers) in general. Unfortunately for Nihilus, Vitiate is also virtually impossible to destroy with Force Drain powers because he is not a mortal being and any attack from Vitiate would strain Nihilus in return. The end.
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
See that's why.. 😉The thing is that Nihilus when he's starved and weakened he is not like Plagueis for example (who was weakened but still had enough TK to desintegrate some normal people) or any other Force user,they still have their reserves,but Nihilus once is exhausted and starved he loses his potency in Force,to the point that his TK used him to hold the Ravager just. But here's the catch: While a Force user can get amped on a Force nexus,he or she receives of course those energies and uses as he or she pleases,but once they leave the nexus they return to their normal condition,yet Nihilus gets no amp,he instead consumes the said so "amp" and kills the Force in turn growing stronger,but if it happens for him to make a shit like with the Exile then he will lose all that power.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sith Sorcery is among the most misunderstood phenomenon of the mythos. Unfortunately, lack of sufficient exploration of this topic - even at official capacity - didn't help much either.Sith Sorcery can be performed in the same manner as normal attempts to manipulate the Force. However, Sith Sorcery may involve use of techniques to manipulate the Force in superior ways then it is possible with pure instincts. 🙂
At the least, you realize that Nihilus's cannot insta-consume on planetary-scale. Good. 🙂
I do not underestimate Darth Nihilus. He is among the most dangerous and powerful beings to ever grace the galaxy. However, I believe that some beings can defeat him in a confrontation; select few to be more precise. Vitiate is one of these beings.
Nihilus was very powerful and dangerous but he had vulnerabilities that were eventually exploited by his enemies. His prime vulnerability was that he was not stable by virtue of his condition, he had to continuously depend upon others to fuel his power and would weaken otherwise. Cut his food supply or prevent him from feeding on others, and he can be stopped.
While Meetra Surik had to depend upon her allies and Wound condition to stop Nihilus, Vitiate have all the necessary qualities that enable him to outright outgun Nihilus in a confrontation.
Vitiate have immortality, superior strength, superior command of the dark side, and ability to drain targets from even light-years distances. Nihilus is simply outclassed in comparison. Nihilus might be immune to Force Drain powers but he is not immune to other external threats (including many Force powers) in general. Unfortunately for Nihilus, Vitiate is also virtually impossible to destroy with Force Drain powers because he is not a mortal being and any attack from Vitiate would strain Nihilus in return. The end.
See above. Good discussion, otherwise.
Sith Sorcery it's not mysterious: In TCW cartoons we see Sidious with Dooku on Korriban making a spell with a watered magical pot I suppose it was(ritual) to play tricks on Yoda's mind; On Yavin 4 Exar Kun prepares a ritual aided by draining devices(Dark Reaper?) and absorbed the Massassi's life-force to fly with his spirit but was WL-ed by the Jedi(Massassi gave their life willingly)
On Dxun Sith Master made a circle to use or summon Freedon Nadd from the Chaos(it took hours)
Vitate draining light years away!? All I know it's about his TP entering in Exal Kressh's mind.
Nihilus does that about a star system.
We know almost nothing about the Ritual on Nathema,but wasn't Medriaas a dark side nexus?
Malachor V and Nathema are the same. Drew either was high or he didn't bother to play KotOR II. WOUND=VOID
Neverthless the fact that Vitiate was able almost to replicate Nihilus' blackhole power,shows his prowess in Sith sorcery outclasses in some aspects that of Palpatine's.
Nihilus still stomps with ease. 😛
But thank god you aren't shootingnova from Comic Vine. 🙂
If Nihilus did truly play a ritual,then he should've had some(smart) people to aid their powers to him,which he didn't ,or some amping device/s,which he didn't. When you are powerful,you don't need rituals to do your shit,that's why the rituals are for,to do your through some aids and helpful hands.
Despite of writers' fanboyism,Vitiate is still a part of the Force,more attuned to the dark side like Palpatine,but even he had his ass fried too. Vitiate doesn't control the dark side,it is quite the opposite,available for all darksiders.
As long he's Forceful Nihilus will do his shit on him,or turn him into mote dust by using his abominal TK power. 🙂
There were hundreds of Jedi on Katarr when Nihilus wiped out all life on the planet (save Visas) to feed himself. (Not to mention that he feeds on all life to grow his power, not just Jedi).
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All those billions(with microbes as well) living on Katarr...the power he stole from them, was then permanently Nihilus' own (by killing all of them, of course).
Nihilus went to Telos because Kreia tricked him into believing there were many powerful Jedi on the planet's surface.
In any case, gaining "unfathomable" power and immortality is nothing new or too amazing a feat amongst the Sith of the Expanded Universe. Technically, Nihilus was immortal (because he's "dead" before he ever became a Sith Lord; being more "presence" than flesh, after all).
Vitiate pretty much lost some of the power he gained back then, after his Voices died at the hands of both the Hero of Tython and the Emperor's Wrath. By both the "Shadow of Revan" and the "Rise of the Emperor" expansions, he's definitely noted to be nowhere near as powerful as he once was.
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Great power, undeniably so, but Vitiate couldn't keep it all throughout his "life" as an immortal Sith Lord.
Sidious is also undeniably powerful, but his true abilities in the dark side are often exaggerated.
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Not to mention that he lost the power he gained previously in the moment that the planet Byss was destroyed, and he never managed to gain complete control over the Force Storms he created.
The only way to keep your power in the dark side is to absorb that power through killing, it seems. Even then, you'd have to be a Wound in the Force to truly keep all of that power beyond death (Nihilus).