Darth Nihilus vs. Vitiate

Originally posted by noelrodgers256
You are right,

An unfortunate consequence of my brilliance.

Originally posted by noelrodgers256
complete brainfart on my part.

Your zeal to defend Vitiate is admirable.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
That's a gigantic no limits fallacy.

Much like the preferred interpretation for Nihilus's drain, which is equally preposterous.

I'd say Nihilus becomes a slave to Vitiate's will.

Mizukage_Yoda's reference to Unseen, Unheard reminds me of what appears to be a glaring contradiction between what KotOR 2 tells us of the nature of the Sith technique used by Nihilus & the Exile and the events of the comic. If I recall correctly, Kreia claims that the technique requires a bond to be formed between the user and victim/s. If that is so, how is Nihilus able to project it against an entire planet's worth of life when he [presumably] had never encountered or had the time to create such a bond?

Such a conundrum. If only wise Tobin could provide direction in this matter. mmm

Thoughts?

I don't recall Kreia ever saying that. All she said was that it's not a technique that can be learned, only experienced, yet she somehow taught it to Nihilus and to a lesser extent, the sith assassins.

Who said he needs to spend time with someone to form a 8ond? All life is already 8onded by the Force anyway.

The attack is a 'drain' that stretches over planets. How does he drain someone across those distances? O8viously its a similar process. The cloud/8eam/whatever hits the target, forces a Force 8ond on the target and them drains them dry. It's hardly a complex explan8ion.

I'm reading through the Let's Play archive and I've concluded that this is some of the most unintentionally hilarious dialogue I've ever read:

Jedi Master: "Yes, you feel the Force... but you cannot feel yourself."
[l8r, same convo]
The Exile: "But I can feel the Force, strongly."
Jedi Master: "So you think."

😂

Avellone should have left the higher thought to people who could actually handle it: Luceno & Stover.

It's going to be a b1tch to make sense of this nonsense.

You're trying too hard. Here, have some of this, it's my treat:

So one of the Jedi Masters confirms that Force bonds take time and understanding to develop. Though the Exile can form them with relative ease, I don't see any suggestion that she forms bonds with complete and total strangers instantaneously. References are made to her companions and to her subordinates, people she spends or spent time around in the past.

Still looking for more on the subject, but right now the contradiction has morphed into a giant chasm that shatters all credulity.

Perhaps Tobin will have more to say on this subject.

Really don't think Nihilus' drain has anything to do with forming bonds.

Originally posted by joneskevin624
Really don't think Nihilus' drain has anything to do with forming bonds.

According to the Jedi Masters (& Kreia as well, I believe), it is. Crappy writing aside, I do have to give Avellone some points for trying to legitimize certain RPG mechanics: level progression & group healing.

I'm watching a video now of a discussion between the Exile and Kreia concerning their bond, which the game labels as a "Force chain."

Is this the same technique, I wonder, or a more powerful manifestation?

Only further investigation and perhaps critical insight from Tobin the All-knowing will elucidate matters.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
So one of the Jedi Masters confirms that Force bonds take time and understanding to develop. Though the Exile can form them with relative ease, I don't see any suggestion that she forms bonds with complete and total strangers instantaneously. References are made to her companions and to her subordinates, people she spends or spent time around in the past.

Still looking for more on the subject, but right now the contradiction has morphed into a giant chasm that shatters all credulity.

Perhaps Tobin will have more to say on this subject.

Yeah, that pretty much destroys my entire argument. I mean, it's not like the Exile forms 8onds with people she kills, i.e. complete and total strangers most of the time. That would totally be something I haven't written a8out and had to constantly remind everyone of every time a thread with Nihilus is 8rought up.

Nope. Golly gosh that's frust8ing.

Sure, but the Exile actually has to have some sort of interaction with these people, even in combat. That's what I was getting at. 😬

Meanwhile, also interesting is Zez-Kai Ell's comment that the Sith menace (presumably Nihilus) was weak enough to fear confronting the Jedi openly.

And Nihilus interacts with them. What do you think that huge 8lack cloud is? The monster from Lost?

You mean like flying right up to the planet where they've all gathered and killing them all? Yeah, the Sith were too weak to do that imo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Nihilus interacts with them. What do you think that huge black cloud is? The monster from Lost?

Ah, I didn't realize a huge black cloud was a telltale sign of personal interaction. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
You mean like flying right up to the planet where they've all gathered and killing them all? Yeah, the Sith were too weak to do that imo.

Because a surprise attack constitutes an open one. 👆
You should self-administer some of the cream or, if you want, you can bend over and I'll do it for you. 😬

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Ah, I didn't realize a huge black cloud was a telltale sign of personal interaction. 👆

Because a surprise attack constitutes an open one. 👆
You should self-administer some of the cream or, if you want, you can bend over and I'll do it for you. 😬

The need for personal interaction is purely in your mind my friend. Let it go. Nihilus uses the same technique as the Exile, which I've already proven works via Force 8onds.

Lol.

The_Tempest, please stop responding to banned accounts. That encourages socking.

Well that explains why these guys are getting banned so quickly. My bad. :$

Or you can do what we all do and that's ignore Ush. As a result, this forum runs more smoothly.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He ripped Star Destroyers from orbit with his telekinetic abilities, that being considered his telekinetic abilities are huge. The Emperor has not shown TK defenses on that level.

Don't you need to 8e moving at a certain speed to 8reak orbit?