This is the problem with Nihilus: there's no time frame given for his major abilities. He drained a world with a word--kay. How long was the build-up? He pulled a ship from a gravity well--kay. How long did it take? It's impressive either way, but if it took him hours, or days, or more to do it, then it's useless in a fight. Second problem is that the only canon fight he's had with anyone was with the Exile--while he was weakened. There's only speculation with Nihilus.
Originally posted by The_TempestMuch like the preferred interpretation for Nihilus's drain, which is equally preposterous.
Unseen Unheard pretty much dismisses any argument against Nihilus. He can lay waste to worlds with a breath, KOTOR II confirms he has multi million ton TK. The Emperor's feats pale in comparison.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Unseen Unheard pretty much dismisses any argument against Nihilus. He can lay waste to worlds with a breath, KOTOR II confirms he has multi million ton TK. The Emperor's feats pale in comparison.
He's had plenty of chances to consume worlds and he consumed one. For all we know, it was same ritual Vitiate used. However, Vitiate's ritual made him immortal, while Nihilus was going to be consumed by his hunger. Vitiate's complete destruction of his world was more impressive because while Nihilus' destruction left a void in the force, the destruction of Nathema left nothing. Also, wtf is "multi ton million tk"? Sounds like an arbitrary characterization not backed up by anything.
Originally posted by darkodanger
He's had plenty of chances to consume worlds and he consumed one. For all we know, it was same ritual Vitiate used. However, Vitiate's ritual made him immortal, while Nihilus was going to be consumed by his hunger. Vitiate's complete destruction of his world was more impressive because while Nihilus' destruction left a void in the force, the destruction of Nathema left nothing. Also, wtf is "multi ton million tk"? Sounds like an arbitrary characterization not backed up by anything.
That's because you're an Idiot.
I love the blatant reaching and utter butthurt that is involved in this thread, in a sad and lonely attempt to discredit Darth Nihilus.
This is what Unseen Unheard has to say on the subject. When Nihilus spoke, the world died. Any speculation of some amount of preparation, which is never even implied, is exactly that, unfounded speculation caused by a serious case of butthurt. It's an assumption with no evidence.
As for "hurhur contradiction a bond has to be formed in the game".
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught…it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand." ¯Kreia
This is what Kreia has to say on the technique.
What Tempest was probably referring to is this:
"As much as one may use the Force to bolster the wills and strengths of others, the reverse is possible, though not often used. Instead of sending one's will through connections in the Force, instead such connections are drawn upon, fed upon, and drained completely."
¯Kreia
Which doesn't imply that Nihilus might need to, I dunno, become bestest buds with someone whom he has met in order to drain them. As proven by both Unseen Unheard and the game, by the destruction of Katarr.
Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]I love the blatant reaching and utter butthurt that is involved in this thread, in a sad and lonely attempt to discredit Darth Nihilus.
This is what Unseen Unheard has to say on the subject. When Nihilus spoke, the world died. Any speculation of some amount of preparation, which is never even implied, is exactly that, unfounded speculation caused by a serious case of butthurt. It's an assumption with no evidence.
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught…it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand." ¯KreiaThis is what Kreia has to say on the technique.
It is VISAS who states "when Nihilus spoke, the world died". A literal interpretation requires support of said interpretation, where none exists. Furthermore, if he could just "speak" and worlds die, he would have no peer. There would be no need for KOTOR 2, or Kreia, or for the Exile. The idea that he needs some form of preparation seems more viable than "he spoke worlds died LOLz".
No one in the game was his peer.
The Exile was immune to his power and he was weakened by his attempt at draining her.
You might have something vaguely resembling a point if you had any counter-evidence, but... You don't. You have none at all. Show me Nihilus being unable to devour a planet because he didn't prepare beforehand. If you can't, then you must succumb to Occam's Razor.
Kreia also said the technique cannot be learned, yet she taught it to Nihilus and a lesser form of the technique to the sith assassins. Hurray for picking and choosing whatever helps your fanboy opinions!
The Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide apparently states that Nihilus has always had the technique, Kreia just taught him how to better utlise it (He was draining people to sate his Hunger before he was ever a Sith apparently). I'll be back to verify this after I download it.
Oh, and how do you know the Sith Assassins were given the technique via teaching? Also, "lesser variation" is the key word.
Oh, and btw, I'm not responding to this for you, only to shoot down arguments that Tempest or whoever may make in the future before they can post them. Although, I get the feeling that Tempest's reply would not have been as hamfisted or absent-minded.
"Then, when all seems lost, he discovers that his emptiness hungered. The first time, he fed it unconsciously. Draining another being's life is frightening, nauseating, but for a euphoric moment, the memories, the illness, and the hunger disappeared. But it proves insatiable. The more he indulges it, the shorter the satisfaction lasts and the more severe the hunger becomes. He begins feeding relentlessly, still always craving. Existence again becomes unbearable, but then hope materializes. A blind Sith Lord appears. She has felt his existence like a gaping wound through the Force. The Force, she explains, fuels his hunger, and she will show him how to devours worlds. The Sith and the Force are meaningless to him, but the hunger must be appeased."
--Taken from the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
As for the Sith Assassins:
“What if other Jedi went to war as you did, suffered the same events, and emerged as you did. What if there was a crucible that trained such Jedi to consume and kill?â€
“For you, Malachor was that crucible.â€
“What's worse, is these Sith that we face... I fear that they have learned the lesson of Malachor all too well. It is what allows them to prey on Force users, to become stronger when Force Sensitives are near.â€
“Somehow, they have learned their hunger from you. And so you have brought about the end of the Jedi, and perhaps all the knowledge of the Force.â€
Now, where is the Trayas Academy again?
Furthermore:
"In the meantime, Darth Nihilus led his Sith forces from his flagship, the Ravager, drawing more and more power from worlds that he blasted into ruin."
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Nihilus did not drain 8ut one planet.
You might have something vaguely resembling a point if you had any counter-evidence, but... You don't. You have none at all. Show me Nihilus being unable to devour a planet because he didn't prepare beforehand. If you can't, then you must succumb to Occam's Razor.
You have no evidence that it was instant, other than the ramblings of Visas. You're also asking me to prove a negative. If all Nihilus has to do is speak and world die, and he was around several planets many times in KOTOR 2, logic dictates that he would have eaten the planets. Since he did not, logic suggests it's not as simple as "speaking", or anything instant. Your move champ.
Originally posted by peterschiff599
[B]You have no evidence that it was instant, other than the ramblings of Visas.
We see him fly to Katarr, then Katarr dies.
You're concocting some elaborate explanation and ritual that wasn't even hinted at.
You're also asking me to prove a negative. If all Nihilus has to do is speak and world die, and he was around several planets many times in KOTOR 2, logic dictates that he would have eaten the planets. Since he did not, logic suggests it's not as simple as "speaking", or anything instant. Your move champ.
Name the planets he was around.
He was blocked before he could get to Telos IV, and as stated in the game he didn't even notice the people boarding his ship to kill him, his attention still on Telos IV.