The Goblin Queen vs The Scarlet Witch

Originally posted by zopzop

It's from The Marvel Tarot. The GF is the Avatar Force
representing Water and opposes the PF which represents Fire.

Marvel Tarot and Mystic Arcana four part series was awesome.
Stupid idiots at Marvel never followed it up with anything worthwhile.

But I was curious as to what you were referring to because the Goblin Force
is never mentioned in any of the books.
Funny,
neither are many of the characters named there via cameo of even by name.

That page is a "glossary" sortaspeak that lists the names of "magic" associated characters,
but I must say good friend, I don't believe it any way dispels what Havok did.

The GF has never been seen again on panel that I know of.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Let me know if you need the issues, I have them scanned. 🙂

Until then, concerning HOM Wanda, ... night, night.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have all those books, they're great reads.

But I was curious as to what you were referring to because the Goblin Force
is never mentioned in any of the books.
Funny,
neither are many of the characters named there via cameo of even by name.

That page is a "glossary" sortaspeak that lists the names of "magic" associated characters,
but I must say good friend, I don't believe it any way dispels what Havok did.

The GF has never been seen again on panel that I know of.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He's right in that particular regard . IIRC , Wanda only depowered 90% of the mutants across the omniverse .

Originally posted by Mr Master
Let me know if you need the issues, I have them scanned. 🙂

Until then, concerning HOM Wanda, ... night, night.

I don't need the issues,thanks anyway.
Sending me scans of HOM Wanda doing a hex which DID NOT work in it's entirety is redundant and proves nothing.
Maddie can still beat her in a heart beat.
If you don't see that then you must be clouded by one of Wanda's spells.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

He's right in that particular regard . IIRC ,
Wanda only depowered 90% of the mutants across the omniverse .

Now,
I'd like to see where you read that she did that cause her "hex" didn't work fully.

That aside, how about Wanda remaking Universe 616 entirely into 58163.

How about Wanda remaking Universe 58163 entirely back into 616,
while simultaneously reverting the Chaos Wave
and also re-building the Omniverse from Cosmic chaos.

That was all consciously done at in HOM, with a thought.

Heck, "no more mutants" is the baby stuff included in the "spell."

The real monster feat is molding the entire 616 Reality like doe,
and restructuring the full blown Omniverse which was torn to pieces.

So, yea, she decided to de-power 90% of all mutants in current Timelines,
and ALL mutants across Future Timelines.

When you put it all together, I can see her under performance. 😐

Originally posted by zopzop

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9fkf6hZqu1rvm5qqo6_1280.jpg

It's strange, the GF was supposedly wiped from all realities by Nexus Havok.

Yet Ian Mcnee knew of it's existence,
despite the fact that it was never seen in 616 reality and the "wiping"
took place years before the events in Marvel Tarot and Mystic Arcana.

I'm talking about withIN the Tarot/Mystic books,
the GF was never mentioned or most of the characters from the
"glossary" listing you posted prior.

Imo, that listing of names was giving reference to beings/entities associated with "magic."

In what book did Ian mention the GF?

Originally posted by zopzop

Does anyone know how those 10% withstood the "No More Mutants" hex?

Wanda simply didn't affect them, and there's no reason of any kind why,
that I've come across.

^ reading his ridiculous posts and finding out that it was him that contributed to that huge mess of HOM Wanda respect thread I have nothing more to say to him.

Originally posted by mastagambit
^ reading his ridiculous posts and finding out that it was him that contributed to that huge mess of HOM Wanda respect thread I have nothing more to say to him.

hom wanda vs maddie with the gf hmm

Originally posted by Blight
That's generally called "Conceding".

Nah,it's just that I wont respond to his ridiculous posts.

Originally posted by guy222
hom wanda vs maddie with the gf hmm

Now that would be a great mash up.
But I still see Maddie beating her.
Wanda is too emotional and would second guess before attempting anything.
Maddie with gf would strike her out of existence.

maddie was extremely powerful with the force and beyonder's power

who wins

i'll let the pros decide that 😛

Originally posted by guy222
maddie was extremely powerful with the force and beyonder's power

who wins

i'll let the pros decide that 😛

http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr129/wrath_2010/gq2uj9.jpg

cool 🙂

i posted scans long ago from the issues

Originally posted by Mr Master
I know what she intentionally did.

Now,
I'd like to see where you read that she did that cause her "hex" didn't work fully.

That aside, how about Wanda remaking Universe 616 entirely into 58163.

How about Wanda remaking Universe 58163 entirely back into 616,
while simultaneously reverting the Chaos Wave
and also re-building the Omniverse from Cosmic chaos.

That was all consciously done at in HOM, with a thought.

Heck, "no more mutants" is the baby stuff included in the "spell."

The real monster feat is molding the entire 616 Reality like doe,
and restructuring the full blown Omniverse which was torn to pieces.

So, yea, she decided to de-power 90% of all mutants in current Timelines,
and ALL mutants across Future Timelines.

When you put it all together, I can see her under performance. 😐

But Zop, that scan is the GF getting rubbed out by Havok.

I'm talking about withIN the Tarot/Mystic books,
the GF was never mentioned or most of the characters from the
"glossary" listing you posted prior.

Imo, that listing of names was giving reference to beings/entities associated with "magic."

In what book did Ian mention the GF?

They didn't.

Wanda simply didn't affect them, and there's no reason of any kind why,
that I've come across.

Regarding the 10%ers who weren't touched by the hex, I find it odd NO explanation was given? Maybe the ending of AvX and AvX Consequences will provide answers? I wouldn't bet on it though, stupid idiot Marvel writers.

Originally posted by mastagambit
http://i476.photobucket.com/albums/rr129/wrath_2010/gq2uj9.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop

Yup, I wanted to post that scan because he supposedly said he
wiped it out of every reality in the omniverse. Yet mages in 616
reality knew of it's existence despite the fact that the Mutant X events
took place years before Marvel Tarot and the fact that the Goblin
Force was never seen in 616 reality. How could they know of it's
existence if it was wiped out years prior and never made an
appearance in 616 reality?

I'm still wondering good friend where it is you saw/read the Goblin Force being
mentioned on panel in any of the Tarot/Mystic books.

Because aside from the glossary listing of characters that are
associated with "magic" through out the years,
there's nothing withIN the actual stories that I came across.

That goes for most of the other characters listed in the glossary.

Originally posted by zopzop

Regarding the 10%ers who weren't touched by the hex, I find it odd NO explanation was given? Maybe the ending of AvX and AvX
Consequences will provide answers? I wouldn't bet on it though,
stupid idiot Marvel writers.

The Editors were not going to allow
every mainstream mutant hero to be left without power for months.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yeah the reason why I tend to favor Madelyne/GF is because it
actually had fights under it's belt (the PF, Galactus, the 5th Host and
then the entire Celestial race, devouring the Beyonder, etc..).

Beyonder wasn't devoured or even harmed by the GF,
in fact, the Beyonder's essence/power had nothing to do with the GF story.

That was just some "corpse" given the appearance of the Beyonder:

GF did that too scare the others into telling her where Havok was.

You know better than to be peeking into "wiki" for real in-story info. 😛

Bottomline:

The GF needed the Nexus of Realities
& Havok's support since only he could merge with it
in order to try and do what Wanda did.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What mages are you referring too?

I'm still wondering good friend where it is you saw/read the Goblin Force being
mentioned on panel in any of the Tarot/Mystic books.

Because aside from the glossary listing of characters that are
associated with "magic" through out the years,
there's nothing withIN the actual stories that I came across.

That goes for most of the other characters listed in the glossary.

How about Marvel didn't want to leave the rest of their Titles without substance.

The Editors were not going to allow
every mainstream mutant hero to be left without power for months.

The only opponent the GF confronted were those Celestials,
after it had devoured that alternate Galactus and that alternate PF,
and while the GF was at its most powerful it still lost to just that 5th host.

Beyonder wasn't devoured or even harmed by the GF,
in fact, the Beyonder's essence/power had nothing to do with the GF story.

That was just some "corpse" given the appearance of the Beyonder:

You know better than to be peeking into "wiki" for real in-story info. 😛

Bottomline:

The GF needed the Nexus of Realities
& Havok's support since only he could merge with it
in order to try and do what Wanda did.

No, I have the issue. It possessed the Beyonder's corpse and drew on its power before devouring it. The GF itself states that even it didn't know who it really was until recently.

Originally posted by zopzop

The Glossary is what I'm referring to. How could it be mentioned by
616 mystics (read the the intro) and Ian Mcnee if it was destroyed by
Nexus Havok in an alt reality before it ever made an appearance in
616?

He didn't erase it from ever existing. (ie. nullification)

That aside, in-story (on panel) GF is never even hinted at being mentioned.

Originally posted by zopzop

Still very sloppy writing.

Originally posted by zopzop

It lost to more than just the Host my friend. The text clearly states
that "their great race was devastated". This would only make
sense if the Host were the ONLY members of the Celestials race in that reality.

Meh, Celestials were nothing but motes in the wind caught in Wanda's warp.

Every "sentience no matter how grandiose its opinion of itself"

Originally posted by zopzop

No, I have the issue. It possessed the Beyonder's corpse and drew
on its power before devouring it. The GF itself states that even it
didn't know who it really was until recently.

The GF never at any time is portrayed either finding Beyonder's body,
possessing it,
or absorbing his power or devouring him.

GF said it was confused cause it's nature was buried so deep withIN that corpse.

And?

Again, the GF was playing a role to get to Havok, that being,
pretending to be the Beyonder to scare the heroes into telling her where Havok was.

Did you really read these two issues?

I know the Wiki info on this is F'd up, and it's the only explanation
why you would believe that was really Beyonder,
cause anyone who has the two book mini would know better.

* Edit* .. Why would Beyonder's body just be laying around
unconscious waiting for anyone to drop by and take it over with power and all?

Come on Zop, that right there should tell you. 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Havok erased it from every reality.

He didn't erase it from ever existing. (ie. nullification)

That aside, in-story (on panel) GF is never even hinted at being mentioned.

The text also clearly states it was the 5th host that stopped her.

Meh, Celestials were nothing but motes in the wind caught in Wanda's warp.

Every "sentience no matter how grandiose its opinion of itself"

Keep in mind for all of HoM Wanda's power she never went up against any cosmics.

I have the issues too,
and I just skimmed through it to be certain
of what I already knew.

The GF never at any time is portrayed either finding Beyonder's body,
possessing it,
or absorbing his power or devouring him.

GF said it was confused cause it's nature was buried so deep withIN that corpse.

And?

Again, the GF was playing a role to get to Havok, that being,
pretending to be the Beyonder to scare the heroes into telling her where Havok was.

Did you really read these two issues?

I know the Wiki info on this is F'd up, and it's the only explanation
why you would believe that was really Beyonder,
cause anyone who has the two book mini would know better.

* Edit* .. Why would Beyonder's body just be laying around
unconscious waiting for anyone to drop by and take it over with power and all?

Come on Zop, that right there should tell you. 😂

Originally posted by zopzop

But that's the thing though.
How would anyone in 616 reality be aware of a Force
that was never shown as existing in 616 reality?

Originally posted by zopzop

It said the 5th Host went up against it and stopped it and as a result
their great race was devastated. How could that be? Either the
entire Celestial race of that universe consisted of only the Fifth Host
or the Fifth Host encountered it and call for back up which resulted
in the GF being contained and the entire Celestial race of that
dimension being wrecked.

Originally posted by zopzop

Keep in mind for all of HoM Wanda's power she never went up against any cosmics.

Keep also in mind,
that Goblin Queen for all its power really never did anything to the Cosmics.

Oh wait, she stomped that alternate PF and big G.

But I've seen Xorn explode the actual PF, (616 bio fact)
an Alien Ship was absorbing the PF, (616 bio fact) like the GF, (not 616)
and 6 heroes stalemated it. (616 bio fact)
oh, and Galactus was going to erase it all together with tech. (616 bio fact)

Was that alternate big G hungry that lost to GF?

Who knows.

Anyway, the Celestials were devastated although they won,
but the GF had to have the combined power of big G and the PF
plus its own to do that. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop

But it did :

That's the Goblin Force in the form of the Beyonder sleeping,
not the actual Beyonder. 😂

Anyway good friend, the first thing this so-called Beyonder did upon awakening,
is do exactly what the GF does .. absorb:

That's not part of Beyonder's power-set, or character make-up.

That's the GF solely.

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LOL! ... so Beyonder decided to hibernate ... for no reason,
leaving his body exposed and vulnerable ... for no reason.

Oh, and where/when in the hell did Beyonder do this AFTER Secret Wars? 😆

He must've transported his body from the Beyond Realm to Earth-1280
in-between SSII and the first retcon
cause that's where he went after SSII. (to the Beyond Realm)

Is GF equal to PF?