I'm straight bro, sorry.
I just don't get how Jack's feats have been "refuted." He's a match for the Scotsman, who tosses tanks with ease, and casually deflects machine gun fire. Neither of which I have seen you "defeat." I've seen you lowball Jack by pointing out a less impressive feat, while simultaneously giving the one instance of Wolverine being capable of doing the same.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'm straight bro, sorry.I just don't get how Jack's feats have been "refuted." He's a match for the Scotsman, who tosses tanks with ease, and casually deflects machine gun fire. Neither of which I have seen you "defeat." I've seen you lowball Jack by pointing out a less impressive feat, while simultaneously giving the one instance of Wolverine being capable of doing the same.
Do I need to refute the Scotsman's feats now? Scotsman tossing tanks doesn't make Jack stronger through the transitive properties of some weird symbiosis. The Scotsman is stronger than Jack... that was made abundantly clear when he met the clan and could NOT do the boulder tossing. Wolverine's a match for the Hulk... the Hulk's punches can destroy planets... is that a game you want to play? Wolverine has tagged Northstar... and he is FTL.
The gun fire thing has been addressed ad nauseam.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do I need to refute the Scotsman's feats now? Scotsman tossing tanks doesn't make Jack stronger through the transitive properties of some weird symbiosis. The Scotsman is stronger than Jack... that was made abundantly clear when he met the clan and could NOT do the boulder tossing. Wolverine's a match for the Hulk... the Hulk's punches can destroy planets... is that a game you want to play? Wolverine has tagged Northstar... and he is FTL.The gun fire thing has been addressed ad nauseam.
I think you should start with refuting Jack's feats.
I didn't say shit about Jack being stronger. What I said was "a match." As in, Jack was capable of matching the strength displayed by the Scotsman, as was clearly shown when they fought on the bridge. To deny this is absurd. And it's something I expect from Quan and BT. You must just be the latest model.
Hundreds of people can stand toe to toe with the Hulk. They'll be beaten senseless, but they could fight him. This is not a game I want to play, nor is it one that I started.
If it's been addressed in the same manner as Jack's other abilities you'd best start talking about it again.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I think you should start with refuting Jack's feats.I didn't say shit about Jack being stronger. What I said was "a match." As in, Jack was capable of matching the strength displayed by the Scotsman, as was clearly shown when they fought on the bridge. To deny this is absurd. And it's something I expect from Quan and BT. You must just be the latest model.
Hundreds of people can stand toe to toe with the Hulk. They'll be beaten senseless, but they could fight him. This is not a game I want to play, nor is it one that I started.
If it's been addressed in the same manner as Jack's other abilities you'd best start talking about it again.
I've finished refuting Jack's feats, bring some more up if you'd like and I'll refute them too. It hasn't been very difficult.
He engaged in sword play with Scotsmen... if we are going to draw tenuous links between stuff like that and strength, than Wolverine would be class 70-100. Logan's blocked attacks from numerous super strong characters without being overwhelmed by their strength, Gamora, Warbird and The Huntsmen two name just a few. He's physically over powered Ursa Major. He stopped Achelous bull charge... by running straight into it and ramming him with his head, and that guy one shotted Hercules. She Hulk had difficulty restraining him. Ect. ect. ect. Jack blocking the Scotsmen has as much to do with his strength as Wolverine not getting launched into a different continent every time a cl100 decks him. It's a plot mechanic... not a strength feat.
And? Wolverine's injured the Hulk with kicks, punches and head butts. If we are pretending that Jack fighting the Scotsmen is a strength feat, then Wolverine gets the same benefit of the doubt.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I've finished refuting Jack's feats, bring some more up if you'd like and I'll refute them too. It hasn't been very difficult.He engaged in sword play with Scotsmen... if we are going to draw tenuous links between stuff like that and strength, than Wolverine would be class 70-100. Logan's blocked attacks from numerous super strong characters without being overwhelmed by their strength, Gamora, Warbird and The Huntsmen two name just a few. He's physically over powered Ursa Major. He stopped Achelous bull charge... by running straight into it and ramming him with his head, and that guy one shotted Hercules. She Hulk had difficulty restraining him. Ect. ect. ect. Jack blocking the Scotsmen has as much to do with his strength as Wolverine not getting launched into a different continent every time a cl100 decks him. It's a plot mechanic... not a strength feat.
And? Wolverine's injured the Hulk with kicks, punches and head butts. If we are pretending that Jack fighting the Scotsmen is a strength feat, then Wolverine gets the same benefit of the doubt.
By your own admission, however, a majority of his being able to take blows is because of his skeleton. Jack matched blows with a weapon which required his strength to maintain a grip on. Logan doesn't deal with the same situation. His claws are a part of him, so unless he's disarmed, which is impossible because of his skeleton, he doesn't need to provide as much effort.
Originally posted by AmbientFire
On the sword subject, I have to ask: It's suggested in the beginning of the show that the mystical powers are connected to the righteousness of the wielder's cause and the evil of his enemy - Isn't Logan considered to be one of the good guys?
He's more like an anti-hero at most times, usually redeemed from his previous evil deeds.
You know, that's true from what little I've seen, so I guess the mysticism of the sword would count - I am not going to get into the part about how effective it is against Logan and so forth, and I do not know nearly enough about Logan to decide where this one goes. It's a fun read though so I hope both sides will keep it coming!
Originally posted by XanatosForever
He's more like an anti-hero at most times, usually redeemed from his previous evil deeds.
In his next film Wolverine grows a beard and sports the hairdo of a bum as a way to illustrate that he's living on the fringes of society and ignoring his duty to be a superhero; that's a not only a douche-bag move, but totally unoriginal.
Jack's magical sword cuts him 10 out of 11 times.
Originally posted by NephthysThe points you actually made were either self defense, involved in saving the world, or involved in war. None of which are evil deeds.
He's killed thousands of people. Hell, sometimes in a single issue.He tried to kill Hope.
He likes girls a little too young, if you get my meaning.
He's Canadian.
The list continues.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Being a part of Weapon X, the first big thing I can think of. I'm not saying he's a villain, that's never been his portrayal, but he has done acts that definitely could be considered "good".
Agh... ninja'd.
What is evil about being part of Weapon X? I'm not refreshed on my memory of this (something also might have changed since my knowledge) but wasn't he not aware of the evil deeds they were performing?