Originally posted by ODG
^ I have the memory of an elephant. And the simple wherewithal to use the search function. I'm tired of the blatant Bor trolling. It's old. It's boring. And it receiving validation from another poster (who managed to receive a mod warning about it before even Starscream M managed to) is just enough nonsense.And in case you're wondering, no, I'm not reporting Batman-Prime like I reported Starscream M for this thread. Batman-Prime hasn't insulted anybody out of the blue or spammed the same insipid non-arguments across the pages. No. All he's doing is just thumbing it up and pretending like we haven't heard it before.
Oh I agree on Bor. He's trans and arguing that he's somehow less than that isn't an opinion so much as it is being wrong. Period.
But the amount of posts you nailed him including how far they went back to had to get a reaction out of me 😛
Originally posted by Badabing
ODG, stop. I addressed this thread earlier.Batman Prime. Shut up. I told you I'd see you in the forums. sneer
Carver, keep being yourself.
Pr, yell at Carver again.
Newjak, Thor and Bor are both hippie, poop heads! osheet
Now, get back to topic before I decide people need warnings again. I have a bad cold with a slight fever. Giving warnings >>>> taking NyQuil.
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Originally posted by -Pr-
Not so far, but he is above him, when you compare him to classic Thor, and that Thor's relationship to Superman.
That's the thing though, I remember the destroyer/bor fights but they are like highlights u know..those instances weren't average. Even if he's "above" Clark IMO it's not that great a gap that he cannot overcome especially considering the feats superman has pulled off
Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's the thing though, I remember the destroyer/bor fights but they are like highlights u know..those instances weren't average. Even if he's "above" Clark IMO it's not that great a gap that he cannot overcome especially considering the feats superman has pulled off
Yes, they were impressive showings, but OF Thor was somewhat more powerful than classic Thor. Don't you agree?
And no, I don't see him one-shotting Superman, but he'd be a tougher opponent than classic Thor by a fair bit.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's the thing though, I remember the destroyer/bor fights but they are like highlights u know..those instances weren't average. Even if he's "above" Clark IMO it's not that great a gap that he cannot overcome especially considering the feats superman has pulled off
Do you know how many actual fights OF Thor had?
vs. Iron Man
vs. Balder occupied Destroyer Armor
vs. Loebforce/Energy Absorbing Rulk
vs. Super Skrull Asgardian
vs. Dark Avengers
vs. Bor
And in each of those fights, Thor displayed feats well above "classic" levels. Thor without the Odin Force had never dismantled Tony in such a quick time (beat him, sure, but with two moves? No.) Thor without the Odin Force doesn't tank the Destroyer Beam and survive blows especially stated to have killed him had it not been for the Odin Force. Even out of combat, Thor doesn't recreate Asgard out of nothing and then forcibly pull Captain America from the timestream limbo - when his time powers with Mjolnir have explicitly been removed - to speak with him.
I mean, seriously, take all of his fights and feats under JMS and the seldom crossovers he had while in possession of the Odin Force chronologically speaking and tell me his "average" and how that compares to non-Odin Force Thor's "average".
He's definitely more powerful and durable than regular Thor, and this is both shown and stated by the guy responsible for bringing him back from the dead and giving him an amp. How or why it's being argued is beyond me.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Jake, the only fights worth mentioning was the.destroyer/bor ones. IM, DA, skrull not impressive.Rulk...seriously? I don't understand y he is being mentioned
Everything else u stated isn't combat related sooo there's that
And by your logic, since those fights were the fights where Thor was forced to expend great effort and power, how is that a knock against him? He beat a foe that classic/Odin Forceless Thor was never able to outside of BFR or plot device and was actually killed by its ultimate attack...the same attack he endured with minor burns and slagged armor. And Bor was even more dangerous to him than the Destroyer Armor was, and was durable enough to cause Mjolnir to actually break upon being hit hard enough. No one on the JLA packs that kind of power to break Mjolnir simply by being "too tough".
So how are we still arguing against OF Thor and Bor being at least solid Trans levelers?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The more popular Heralds tap sometimes into the Trans tier, sometimes even higher. Superman in Final Crisis operated on a level above OF Thor and at least on Trans level. In OWAW he ripped through High Herald and Trans Probes (who wrecked Teams with Herald chars) without much effort.
OF Thor was more a definitive amp than someone cutting loose, though.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The more popular Heralds tap sometimes into the Trans tier, sometimes even higher. Superman in Final Crisis operated on a level above OF Thor and at least on Trans level. In OWAW he ripped through High Herald and Trans Probes (who wrecked Teams with Herald chars) without much effort.
Yes, and Classic Thor has feats well above Odin Force Thor and even King Thor.
Doesn't change the fact that Odin Force Thor is a legitimate and explicit amp, not just him cutting loose or having high end feats.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The more popular Heralds tap sometimes into the Trans tier, sometimes even higher. Superman in Final Crisis operated on a level above OF Thor and at least on Trans level. In OWAW he ripped through High Herald and Trans Probes (who wrecked Teams with Herald chars) without much effort.
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