Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What exactly is facepalm worthy from either myself or ODG?
I will explain it to you if you really want to know. PM me, I don't want to turn this into classic Thor vs OF Thor. I will send you then a reply within the next 2 hours.
ODG facepalm
I gave LF Rulk 6/10 against Bor
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Originally posted by ODG
^ LF Rulk also defeated Uatu and Grandmaster. I was talking about how you troll Bor to the point of placing him well below Beta Ray Bill and Wonder Woman. You troll him worse than Starscream M did. That much is obvious.
And thanks to my personal stalker and saviour, the shining knight ODG I won't get a warning for disagreeing with you, Jake or Raoul! Evil me, for having a different and less popular opinion. kinda
Starscream is trolling, like he does in most Thor-based threads.
ODG is antagonising, and needs to stop. And not just in this thread.
To anyone else:
You don't think a cutting loose Superman is < OF Thor? Fine, you're entitled to have an opinion, even if I don't agree with it.
OF Thor was a definitive amp, though, and anyone disputing that, well... Don't. Not in this thread; not in any thread. Keep it to yourself.
I'm all for disagreeing and differing opinions.
It's just when on panel feats and showings and actual evidence are dismissed for...whatever reason people feel like.
Personally, I see Thor and Superman as peers considering their averages and "cutting loose"/high end feats. The difference in several areas between one and the other gets rounded out in the general sense and becomes negligible in the end run. And I don't see why an explicitly amped version of Thor couldn't "cut loose" to levels even higher than his normal version, similar to how an explicitly amped Superman should, logically, be able to perform virtually any "cutting loose" feat a regular Superman did. Same for Hulk, Green Lantern, etc.
It's illogical at best and at worse definite trolling.
At this point, arguing against OF Thor and Bor being > normal Thor and as such beyond high herald is arguing against what the actual comics show us in terms of on panel feats, statements, writer intent, everything.
Originally posted by -Pr-I disagree
No, because you troll and you lowball, and it's at the point where you've been getting bad enough that you're on the cusp of a banning.You're to Thor what carver is to Superman, at this point.
I put thor at a high herald level...just because I don't put OF thor at skyfather or trans isn't lowballing
Originally posted by Starscream M
I disagreeI put thor at a high herald level...just because I don't put OF thor at skyfather or trans isn't lowballing
If OF Thor regularly performed above what Thor did via comparison to common threats (Iron Man, Destroyer Armor), did stuff that normal Thor couldn't (recreate Asgard, pluck Cap from space/time limbo after his time powers from Mjolnir were revoked), and beat a guy outright who would have killed normal Thor and actually broke Mjolnir by being too durable how is he honestly not above normal Thor, and as such, Trans Level?
I mean, it's literally right there in the comics and is shown, repeatedly that OF Thor > Thor.
JMS practically held the reader's hand and spelled it out for them.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankthe build asgard stuff was impressive, but it was not a battle feat
If OF Thor regularly performed above what Thor did via comparison to common threats (Iron Man, Destroyer Armor), did stuff that normal Thor couldn't (recreate Asgard, pluck Cap from space/time limbo after his time powers from Mjolnir were revoked), and beat a guy outright who would have killed normal Thor and actually broke Mjolnir by being too durable how is he honestly not above normal Thor, and as such, Trans Level?
beating iron man is not a huge feat
him beating destroyer is good, but again characters are often written up when they make an initial splash...and OF thor didn't do much impressive battle after that
i think our main point of disagreement lies with the bor fight. you assume bor is some skyfather (because of statements) so thor beating him is very impressive. Whereas I hold bor isn't anywhere near skyfather and hence am much less impressed by that battle.
OF thor was definitely more powerful than regular thor in terms of powers, but not that much more powerful in terms of actual fighting
Did OF thor fight hulk? if so how did he fare?
Originally posted by Starscream M
the build asgard stuff was impressive, but it was not a battle featbeating iron man is not a huge feat
him beating destroyer is good, but again characters are often written up when they make an initial splash...and OF thor didn't do much impressive battle after that
i think our main point of disagreement lies with the bor fight. you assume bor is some skyfather (because of statements) so thor beating him is very impressive. Whereas I hold bor isn't anywhere near skyfather and hence am much less impressed by that battle.
OF thor was definitely more powerful than regular thor in terms of powers, but not that much more powerful in terms of actual fighting
Did OF thor fight hulk? if so how did he fare?
It not being a battle feat doesn't take away from its impressiveness. He formed Asgard from literally nothing but summoning a storm which raged on for days. That is a mightily impressive matter manipulation feat when you break it down and way beyond the likes of normal Thor. He also performed soul migration/transmutation by reviving all of the deceased Asgardians. Also well beyond normal Thor.
Two piecing Iron Man when Tony's historically been able to hang with the likes of Savage Hulk, Namor, and Thor himself for more than a few moments is impressive. He exerted hardly any effort.
I'd suggest reading Thor's multiple fights with the Destroyer Armor. It has always been portrayed as a threat beyond his means to beat save Odin's intervention or some plot device. The Destroyer actually killed Thor in Jurgens' run, and prior to that, was always depicted as capable of killing him and lol-stomping him. By direct comparison, Odin Force Thor tanked its ultimate attack with superficial damage to his armor and some burns. That is a HUGE feat, especially considering the exact same attack killed regular Thor. And Thor stopped the Destroyer under his own power, something he's never been able to consistently do, if ever. Again, HUGE.
I wouldn't place Bor on the same level as Odin or Zeus considering his lack of feats, but the feats he does have place him on a level well above herald. Heralds don't create beings like the Disir and pose a greater threat to Thor's life than the Destroyer Armor. They also don't make Mjolnir break upon being hit with it. What high herald could ever boast that? Heralds also don't pack enough power to easily kill the likes of an Odin Force/normal Thor with a stray strike.
And hell, if you look at the Odin Force's own history, even a very small portion of it boosts someone like Heimdall, (barely mid meta) to be able to no sell Masterson Thor.
Odin Force Thor is significantly more powerful than normal Thor, who in turn, is one of the elite High Heralds in comicdom. And yes, where it counts in battling as well. To deny this or argue against it doesn't even make sense and is trolling. This is a fact, not a matter of opinion.
OF Thor never fought Hulk.
Originally posted by Starscream MIt's still an overall power feat.
the build asgard stuff was impressive, but it was not a battle featbeating iron man is not a huge feat
him beating destroyer is good, but again characters are often written up when they make an initial splash...and OF thor didn't do much impressive battle after that
i think our main point of disagreement lies with the bor fight. you assume bor is some skyfather (because of statements) so thor beating him is very impressive. Whereas I hold bor isn't anywhere near skyfather and hence am much less impressed by that battle.
OF thor was definitely more powerful than regular thor in terms of powers, but not that much more powerful in terms of actual fighting
Did OF thor fight hulk? if so how did he fare?
The degree of ease which Thor beat Ironman is very impressive.
Bor is/was a skyfather. You don't get to disagree with what comics show and state without proof. Saying "I think", "I don't believe" and "Nuh uh" are baseless claims, which is against the rules. And that's how you troll, er, roll in most every thread.
And that statement was proved false by several posters. Covering your ears, closing your eyes and humming do not make it any less true, per the comics.
Keep digging Starscream...