Eninn, thoughts?
Robtard,, thank you
7. And We sent not before you (O Muhammad ) but men to whom We inspired, so ask the people of the Reminder [Scriptures - the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel)] if you do not know.
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They (gays and lesbians) both go against the natural disposition (fitrah) which Allaah has created in mankind – and also in animals – whereby the male is inclined towards the female, and vice versa.
Whoever goes against that goes against the natural disposition of mankind, the fitrah.
The spread of homosexuality has caused man diseases which neither the east nor the west can deny exist because of them. Even if the only result of this perversion was AIDS – which attacks the immune system in humans – that would be enough.
It also causes the breakup of the family and leads people to give up their work and study because they are preoccupied with these perversions.
Since the prohibition has come from his Lord, the Muslim should not wait until medicine proves that harm befalls the one who does that which Allaah has forbidden. Rather he must believe firmly that Allaah only prescribes that which is good for people, and these modern discoveries should only increase his certainty and confidence in the greatness of Allaah’s wisdom.
Ibn al-Qayyim said:
Both of them – fornication and homosexuality – involve immorality that goes against the wisdom of Allaah’s creation and commandment. For homosexuality involves innumerable evil and harms, and the one to whom it is done would be better off being killed than having this done to him, because after that he will become so evil and so corrupt that there can be no hope of his being reformed, and all good is lost for him, and he will no longer feel any shame before Allaah or before His creation. The semen of the one who did that to him will act as a poison on his body and soul. The scholars differed as to whether the one to whom it is done will ever enter Paradise. There are two opinions which I heard Shaykh al-Islam (may Allaah have mercy on him) narrate.”
(al-Jawaab al-Kaafi, p. 115).
2. Lesbianism means one woman doing to another something like that which a man does to a woman. Homosexuality means having intercourse with males in the back passage. This was the action of the accursed people of the Prophet of Allaah Loot (peace be upon him). In sharee’ah terminology it refers to inserting the tip of the penis into the anus of a male.
What is mentioned concerning these actions in the Qur’aan and Sunnah:
A – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) Loot (Lot), when he said to his people: ‘Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)?
Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)’”
[al-A’raaf 7:80-81]
B – “Verily, We sent against them a violent storm of stones (which destroyed them all), except the family of Loot (Lot), them We saved in the last hour of the night”
[al-Qamar 54:34 – interpretation of the meaning]
C – “And (remember) Loot (Lot), when he said to his people: ‘Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)?”
[al-A’raaf 7:80 – interpretation of the meaning]
And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) Loot (Lot), when he said to his people: ‘You commit Al‑Faahishah (sodomy the worst sin) which none has preceded you in (committing) it in the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)’”
[al-‘Ankaboot 29:28]
D – “And (remember) Loot (Lot), We gave him Hukm (right judgement of the affairs and Prophethood) and (religious) knowledge, and We saved him from the town (folk) who practised Al‑Khabaa’ith (evil, wicked and filthy deeds). Verily, they were a people given to evil, and were Faasiqoon (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)”
[al-Anbiya’ 21:74 – interpretation of the meaning]
E – “And (remember) Loot (Lot)! When he said to his people, ‘Do you commit Al‑Faahishah (evil, great sin, every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse, sodomy) while you see (one another doing evil without any screen)
Do you practise your lusts on men instead of women? Nay, but you are a people who behave senselessly.’
There was no other answer given by his people except that they said: ‘Drive out the family of Loot (Lot) from your city. Verily, these are men who want to be clean and pure!’
So We saved him and his family, except his wife. We destined her to be of those who remained behind.
And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). So evil was the rain of those who were warned”
[al-Naml 27:54-58 – interpretation of the meaning]
These verses refer to the punishment that befell the people of Loot. With regard to the rulings on them:
F – Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning]:
“And the two persons (man and woman) among you who commit illegal sexual intercourse, hurt them both. And if they repent (promise Allaah that they will never repeat, i.e. commit illegal sexual intercourse and other similar sins) and do righteous good deeds, leave them alone. Surely, Allaah is Ever All-Forgiving (the One Who forgives and accepts repentance), (and He is) Most Merciful”
[al-Nisa’ 4:16]
Ibn Katheer said:
“The words of Allaah ‘And the two persons (man and woman) among you who commit illegal sexual intercourse, hurt them both’ mean, those who commit immoral actions, punish them both. Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), Sa’eed ibn Jubayr and others said: By condemning them, shaming them and hitting them with shoes. This was the ruling until Allaah abrogated it and replaced it with whipping and stoning. ‘Ikrimah, ‘Ata, al-Hasan and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Katheer said: This was revealed concerning a man and woman who commit fornication. Al-Saddi said, it was revealed concerning young people before they get married. Mujaahid said: it was revealed concerning two men if they admit it bluntly; a hint is not sufficient – as if he was referring to homosexuality. And Allaah knows best.”
(Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/463).
G – It was narrated that Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him): “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘There is nothing I fear for my ummah more than the deed of the people of Loot.’”
(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1457; Ibn Maajah, 2563. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 1552).
H – It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “… cursed is the one who has intercourse with an animal, cursed is the one who does the action of the people of Loot.”
(Narrated by Ahmad, 1878. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 5891).
I – It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Whoever you find doing the deed of the people of Loot, kill the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”
(Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1456; Abu Dawood, 4462; Ibn Maajah, 2561. This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 6589).
This fatwa has nothing to do with true Islam
This is not true
Originally posted by 753
homosexuality has been well documented in natural conditions across dozens of animal species of several different taxa. homosexual behavior isnt unnatural at all.
Men are faced with desires of ill-will and perversion on a daily basis, according to Christianity that's part of our sinful nature.
Originally posted by Astner
Isn't that circular reasoning though? The monotheistic religions of Abraham all make clear distinctions between man and animal. And just because a behavior is naturally occurring among animals—like eating your mate's babies and engage in homosexual activity—doesn't mean that it's accepted among men.Men are faced with desires of ill-will and perversion on a daily basis, according to Christianity that's part of our sinful nature.
you are quite right that naturality doesnt equal moral legitimacy, but the op's point justifies the condemnation of homosexuality on unfounded naturalistic grounds, which is what I was refuting.
assuming the abrahamic distinctions between men and animals as true (which I don't), one would need to come up with a different justification to deem homosexuality immoral other than god made male and female to mate
-Starting from Adam to Muhammad peace be upon him
One Message
The Oneness of Allah
Through the prophets, not of other ways
All the prophets Muslim
111. And when I (Allah) put in the hearts of Al-Hawarieen (the disciples) [of 'Iesa (Jesus)] to believe in Me and My Messenger, they said: "We believe. And bear witness that we are Muslims."
Surah Al-Ma'idah
78. And strive hard in Allah's Cause as you ought to strive (with sincerity and with all your efforts that His Name should be superior). He has chosen you (to convey His Message of Islamic Monotheism to mankind by inviting them to His religion, Islam), and has not laid upon you in religion any hardship, it is the religion of your father Ibrahim (Abraham) (Islamic Monotheism) . It is He (Allah) Who has named you Muslims both before and in this (the Qur'an), that the Messenger (Muhammad) may be a witness over you and you be witnesses over mankind! So perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), give Zakat and hold fast to Allah [ie have confidence in Allah, and depend upon Him in all your affairs] He is your Maula (Patron, Lord, etc.), what an Excellent Maula (Patron, Lord, etc.) and what an Excellent Helper!
Surah Al-Hajj
90. And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Fir'aun (Pharaoh) with his hosts followed them in oppression and enmity, till when drowning overtook him, he said: "I believe that La ilaha illa (Huwa): (none has the right to be worshipped but) He, "in Whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am one of the Muslims (those who submit to Allah's Will)."
91. Now (you believe) while you refused to believe before and you were one of the Mufsidun (evil-doers, corrupts, etc.).
92. So this day We shall deliver your (dead) body (out from the sea) that you may be a sign to those who come after you! And verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.).
Surah Yunus
Titles different
Jewish Torah - Christian Gospel - and so on
But
Original
At the basis of faith
Islam
If you are a belief in one God and Muhammad is the Messenger of God and Jesus Abd Allah and His Messenger
The angels and the prophets and messengers and the Day of Judgment
The scriptures and not distortion now
Fatalistic events, good or bad
Through the prophets and messengers
Not by Akhenaten, Sumerian and Buddhism
This has nothing to do with the oneness of God on the true face
It is a delusion and invention of human beings
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The truth always be clear to any sane person and those who want to understand
Is Muhammad peace be upon him ascended to the moon to know that the moon split in half?
Did the Prophet Muhammad lived in the time of Prophet Noah, peace be upon him to know that the ship stopped on Mount Judi, not another Mount?
Was Muhammad peace be upon him an astronaut and the planets revolved around the galaxies to us so accurately described in the Holy Qur'an?
Was Muhammad peace be upon him chemically and has a world microscope to tell us about infectious diseases and how it treated?
You can forgive many people at one time after inflicted you harm and Hrmuk of your home and your tribe, which grew up and do not punish them, but honored nor never kill them?
I know that the answer is no, but the womb of the Prophet Muhammad and the people forgive them
And do not forget that people dubbed Muhammad before his mission of prophethood Saadiq Secretary
There are many examples which, if read the Qur'an will make you marvel and say
Yes, Muhammad is the Messenger of God
Narrated by 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64
She was consummated at the age of Nine, indicated her puberty at that age.
According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha's age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different. What's more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.
Check "Age of Consent Laws" during 1880 in Delaware, USA.
chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24
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Is that 7 ? Yes it is!! Not too far right ? Almost only 133 years. And now we are talking about the incident that happened 1400 years back in Mohammad's(pbuh) life ?
Do you know how old was mother Mary when she gave birth of prophet Jesus(pbuh) according to Bible? She was 12-14 years old. I wont ask you how old Joseph was when she married Mary. Because I believe Mary was virgin, she was blessed and she was pure.
People of Quraish in Arab did not not accept the prophet-hood of Mohammad(pbuh) at the very first time and blamed him, cursed him, attacked him in every possible way they could.But yes! they never spoke a single word or put any kind of blame on him while he was even engaged with Aisha at her age 6 and later consummated his marriage when she was nine years old.
The Quran does not state a specific legal age of marriage, however it does give a guideline and mentions situations and conditions that should be considered before marriage:
1) Determining mutual attraction/compatibility [2:221, 2:235, 30:21, 33:52]
2) Ascertaining whether the potential partner is of similar beliefs/faith [2:221, 60:10]
3) Discussion of and agreeing to the level of dower and other terms (if any) [4:4, 4:24]
4) Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contract [4:21, 2:232, 2:237, 24:33]
5) If male, capable of providing for the family/household [2:228, 2:233, 4:34, 65:6]
6) To have physically matured / post-puberty [4:6, 24:31, 24:58-59]
Allah knows the best. Let Allah give good understanding to everyone.
Originally posted by 753
9 years olds are pre-pubescent, which means mohammad was violating Q'ram stipulations.
NO this is not true. He did not violate any Qur'an stipulations.
Puberty is the period of sexual maturation and achievement of fertility.
The time when puberty begins varies greatly among individuals. Nutritional and other environmental influences may be responsible for this.
Yes. In general, 9 is a very appropriate age for any child to start puberty. Puberty normally occurs in a series of five stages (Tanner stages) that typically begin within the ages of 8 and 13 for girls and 9 and 14 for boys. Puberty is consider early (precocious) if it occurs before the age of 8 years in girls and 9 years in boys. And puberty is considered late or delayed if it has not begun prior to the age of 13 years for girls and 14 years for boys. Recent studies have shown that puberty is occurring at an increasingly earlier age in children though.
Please go through more medical science and real life stories.
abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/02/06/girl-9-gives-birth-in-mexico/
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247889/Chinese-girl-9-gives-birth-health-baby-boy.html
NOTE: any idea? if they became mother at the age 9, then when did they marry ? and when did first sexual intercourse happen?
abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/girls-hitting-puberty-early-age-study-suggests/story?id=11345321#.UWggQkoTV6F
sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/346459/description/Early_Arrival
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Allah knows best.
the tanner scale which cant be used to precit age to begin with indicates that age 9 and younger is prepubertal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanner_scale
the very first hormonal changes that lead to puberty (adrenarche) take place from 6 to 10 years of age, but the onset of female puberty itself is 10-11 and the menarche, which signals actual fertility, usually occurs from 11-13. full sexual maturity is achieved 4 years after the onset. contemporary average 9 year olds are prebuscent (though such a thing as early puberty does exist hence those rare exception you posted) and it's quite possible puberty has been hastened since the industrial revolution.
maybe mohammad's child bride hit puberty precociously, but nothing in medical science would indicates 9 year olds can eb considered sexually mature
Xuel - the reason the random birth of a child from a 9 year old mother makes headlines around the world is generally because it is so rare medically. It would be like saying "Some people are 8 feet tall therefore all people are 8 feet tall". The vast majority of girls are not physically prepared for childbirth, and even in the cases you cite, there is extreme concern for the health of the mother, given her young age. In the medical and scientific community, these cases are seen as near tragedy, and the majority do not have the happy ending seen in the stories you linked to. Scientists and doctors do not see 9 year old girls as biologically prepared for child birth.
The miracle of the apostles and prophets ring Prophet
Muhammad, peace be upon him is the Holy Quran
- The night Prophet Mohammad (s.a.a.w.s.) was conceived by his parents, all the idols of Mecca were thrown down on the ground. Angels cast the throne of Iblis (Satan) into the sea and Satan was tormented for forty days.
- The night our Prophet (s.a.a.w.s.) was born:
(a) The Palace of Qisra (King of Persia) trembled and its fourteen towers fell down.
(b) The flames of the fire-worshippers, the Majus (Zoroastrians) went out, though that fire had been burning for more than a thousand years, never extinguished.
- Prophet Muhammad's birth corresponds with the Year of the Elephant, which is named after the failed destruction of Mecca that year by the Aksumite King Abraha who had in his army many elephants.
- When Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a.w.s.) was either nine or twelve years old while accompanying a Meccans caravan to Syria, he met a Christian monk or hermit named Bahira who foretold Muhammad (s.a.a.w.s.) that he was going to be a prophet of allah.Prophet Mohammad's Miracles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqzoF_zMX_A&list=PLEFABC002BD887EB6