Pre DCnU: Lobo vs Wonder Women

Started by "Id"5 pages

Originally posted by abhilegend
It has nothing to do with canonicity. Crossovers aren't allowed on KMC otherwise I can post people remembering DC vs Marvel too.

Crossovers are allowed, so long as they remind canonical to the character in question.

A verdict of what crossovers are, or are not allowed are left to the discretion of the Moderators.

Originally posted by abhilegend
They already met in WW v2 60. Lobo slapped her away and then got incapacitated by her lasso. This could go either way if lobo avoids the lasso. Strength wise lobo has a small edge or equal, durability is even, speed goes to diana, HF goes to lobo.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by "Id"
Crossovers are allowed, so long as they remind canonical to the character in question.

A verdict of what crossovers are, or are not allowed are left to the discretion of the Moderators.

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If a crossover's canonicity can be proven by using mainstream evidence, then said crossover is usable on the versus forum. Bada said as much a while back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well moon is 7.35x10E7 trillion tons. Superman, kyle and diana moved it in between a sentence from its position from earth to earth's atmosphere

Its momentum was so much that they had to nullify lunar gravity so that earth doesn't break apart and even every mage on earth couldn't do it for long. What's even more amazing that they literally in one second pulled moon travelling at that speed away from earth.

They also moved the moon back to its place in the time it took atom to find out that j'onn was alive

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05821.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05822.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/JLA05823.jpg

Even if she only managed a small part of that ordeal which is rather unlikely, its still greater than your lobo example.

whats the issue?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
whats the issue?

JLA v3 #58

Originally posted by "Id"
Dur Space Cheese. Dur harder.

I provided a better feat than your "gaiz, lobo izz so much strongerzz than wonder woman", so its now space cheese?

Originally posted by "Id"
Crossovers are allowed, so long as they remind canonical to the character in question.

A verdict of what crossovers are, or are not allowed are left to the discretion of the Moderators.


No, they aren't.

Yes, they are.

And the matter is settled.

Originally posted by Badabing
An excerpt from the rules:

Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.

A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'.

If Galan showed it's in continuity then I don't see the issue. He is correct.

ie. So long as you can prove that the x-over in question is canon to the mainstream universe, it is usable on the versus forum.

Btw, Bada's post above was in reference to me proving the canonicity of World's Funnest (an Elseworlds tale.)

Originally posted by Galan007
ie. So long as you can prove that the x-over in question is canon to the mainstream universe, it is usable on the versus forum.

Btw, Bada's post above was in reference to me proving the canonicity of World's Funnest (an Elseworlds tale.)


I can do that for almost any crossover, DC vs Marvel, SS/GL, Superman/Aliens, amongst them with characters like hank henshaw actually getting their story from one story arc explained in that crossover. That doesn't mean we can use it here on KMC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, they aren't.

If in doubt, you can get a hold Moderator. Relay the message I posted.

Otherwise I am going to completely ignore your bitchin.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I provided a better feat than your "gaiz, lobo izz so much strongerzz than wonder woman", so its now space cheese?

Its Space Cheese.

Do you have another feat?

If you want to ignore a mod's ruling on the matter, then w/e.

However, if the Lobo/Authority x-over was mentioned in a canon/in continuity comic, then that means Lobo's feats in that comic are canon to him. And given the fact that the above comic was a Wildstorm/DC x-over, and that Wildstorm was owned by DC at the time, it's canonicity is perfectly logical.

Originally posted by "Id"
If in doubt, you can get a hold Moderator. Relay the message I posted.

Otherwise I am going to completely ignore your bitchin.

Its Space Cheese.

Do you have another feat?


That's not the argument. Crossovers aren't allowed on KMC as a rule and the ruling bada made wasn't for a crossover. You can bait as much as you want, that's not going to help you.

You provided a feat, I countered it with a better feat. Now you're dismissing it. Quit your double standards. Either chose pure space cheese (in this case lobo's city feat) or try battle feats solely.

With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.
"With rare exceptions" doesn't equate to "not allowed at all." Just saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
If you want to ignore a mod's ruling on the matter, then w/e.

However, if the Lobo/Authority x-over was mentioned in a canon/in continuity comic, then that means Lobo's feats in that comic are canon to him. And given the fact that the above comic was a Wildstorm/DC x-over, and that Wildstorm was owned by DC at the time, it's canonicity is perfectly logical.


Bada made a ruling about elseworlds, what ifs or alternate reality stories. A crossover is none of that. I can give a lot of proofs that DC vs Marvel happened in main DC and marvel earth. Doesn't means squat, its unusable like lobo/authority which at that point was a different continuity.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not the argument. Crossovers aren't allowed on KMC as a rule and the ruling bada made wasn't for a crossover. You can bait as much as you want, that's not going to help you.

/Ignores

Originally posted by abhilegend

You provided a feat, I countered it with a better feat. Now you're dismissing it. Quit your double standards. Either chose pure space cheese (in this case lobo's city feat) or try battle feats solely.


>Your the one that brought up Lobo slamming Pulsar as Space Cheese.
>Stop your whining. And let go of the Space Cheese feats, you hypocrite.

PS: Lobo slamming Pulsar was an in battle feat but wut eva.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bada made a ruling about elseworlds, what ifs or alternate reality stories. A crossover is none of that. I can give a lot of proofs that DC vs Marvel happened in main DC and marvel earth. Doesn't means squat, its unusable like lobo/authority which at that point was a different continuity.
Elseworlds tales ARE alternate universe stories srsly. However, because I was able to prove the canonicity of WF with mainstream evidence, Bada ruled it canon... And rightfully so.

Authority/Lobo = a Wildstorm/DC x-over. DC owned Wildstorm when that comic was published-- and if it's happenings were referenced outside of the x-over, then there is absolutely no reason it wouldn't be canon. None at all.

Originally posted by "Id"
/Ignores

>Your the one that brought up Lobo slamming Pulsar as Space Cheese.
>Stop your whining. And let go of the Space Cheese feats, you hypocrite.

PS: Lobo slamming Pulsar was an in battle feat but wut eva.


Your loss.

Stop whining when I counter that with diana helping slow down infinity.

By that standard diana slowing down spectre is also a battle feat.

Originally posted by Galan007
Elseworlds tales ARE alternate universe stories srsly. However, because I was able to prove the canonicity of WF with mainstream evidence, Bada ruled it canon... And rightfully so.

Authority/Lobo = a Wildstorm/DC x-over. DC owned Wildstorm when that comic was published-- and if it's happenings were referenced outside of the x-over, then there is absolutely no reason it wouldn't be canon. None at all.


A crossover is not an alternate universe story. Case in point

So lobo losing to wolverine is in-continuity? Lobo mentioned it in his solo series too, access appeared in GL, Captain marvel mentioned losing to a thunder god etc.

What are those scans supposed mean? I'm not talking about Marvel/DC stuff here, I'm talking about a crossover whose characters ALL fall under the DC imprint. srsly

This is simple: If the Lobo/Authority comic was specifically referenced in another comic as having took place (I dunno if it was, but Id said so) the showings Lobo accumulated in it are canon to him-- even if the issue wasn't mentioned again, Wildstorm is a DC imprint. Why do you insist on making things so much harder than they need to be in EVERY thread you post in? It's beyond irritating.

Again: DC OWNS Wildstorm. That's why it is canon when Superman/Eradicator appeared in a few issues of Majestic's solo series... And why it is canon when Majestic appeared in the DCU... And why it is canon when Captain Atom appeared in the Wildstorm universe. Give me a single reason why the Lobo/Authority comic would be any different, especially when it was written around the same time as the aforementioned?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your loss.

Stop whining when I counter that with diana helping slow down infinity.

By that standard diana slowing down spectre is also a battle feat.
A crossover is not an alternate universe story. Case in point

>You bitched about space cheese.
>I dropped Lobos space cheese.
>And then you proceeded to reply with space cheese.
>Class Act Durbating

So in light of Diana lacking feats to prove otherwise. Lobo gets awarded an edge. Something along the lines of, if Lobo strength to 10, Diana would be an 8.

Originally posted by abhilegend

So lobo losing to wolverine is in-continuity? Lobo mentioned it in his solo series too, access appeared in GL, Captain marvel mentioned losing to a thunder god etc.


Moving on.

Considering his invulnerability, damage soak, and healing factor. Lobo definitely has more staying power, making him one tough SOB.

I say thats a significant advantage. A 10 to 7 advantage. No argument there, right Abhi?