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War of the Phoenix's

In an all out war between the Avatar's of the Phoenix Force (taking place in the White-Hot Room), who will be the last Phoenix standing?

*Phoenix Rachel Grey
*Dark Phoenix Cyclops
*Phoenix 5 Emma Frost
*Phoenix 5 Namor
*Phoenix 5 Magik
*Phoenix 5 Colossus
*"AoA" Phoenix Jean Grey
*"Ultimate" Phoenix Jean Grey
*"Zombieverse" Phoenix Jean Grey
*Phoenix Cassandra Nova (X-Men: The End)
*White Phoenix Hope Summers
*Phoenix Giraud
*Phoenix Celeste Cukoo
*Phoenix Captain Marvel
*Goblin Queen Madelyne Pryor-Summers
*Phoenix Vulcun

Harbinger Firestorm

Phoenix Vulcan.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Phoenix Giruad or Phoenix Vulcan (we talking about the one from What If : Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire). The other Phoenixs are weaksauce or have no real showings.

Rachel Summers Phoenix COULD have been something but she sucked a$$. Mastermind tapping into her power had universe level cosmic awareness and during the end of the Days of Future Present storyline Dr. Strange compared her 'astral disturbance" to Jean Grey Dark Phoenix. Plus technically ANYTHING DoFP Franklin did during that entire arc could have been applied to Rachel since he was using HER power to do it.

But like I said, she's fail.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Phoenix Vulcan.

He stripped every other avatar of its power. Only White Phoenix Jean, seems to have humbled him.

Bouboumaster Senior Member

Galactus.
Deal with it!

Sundipped MURDERER

Originally posted by zopzop
Phoenix Giruad or Phoenix Vulcan (we talking about the one from What If : Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire). The other Phoenixs are weaksauce or have no real showings.
Rachel Summers Phoenix COULD have been something but she sucked a$$. Mastermind tapping into her power had universe level cosmic awareness and during the end of the Days of Future Present storyline Dr. Strange compared her 'astral disturbance" to Jean Grey Dark Phoenix. Plus technically ANYTHING DoFP Franklin did during that entire arc could have been applied to Rachel since he was using HER power to do it.
But like I said, she's fail.

What if Vulcan and What if Jean top the list being that they have both destroyed whole solar systems with mere flare ups.

Not hating on Giraud but what has he done besides heal himself and Eternity from Bubonicus' plague staff? He needed help vs Ubiquitor & Dormammu. I won't single out Dormy tho cause he was amped and drained to the point that GOTG basically beat him up afterwards but Giraud is pressed for feats to be considered the top of the Phoenix hosts. Costume was the coolest tho.

I hear Doon and GK coming to dismiss what they would call a crappy Franklin from that DOFP arc. 🙂

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Sundipped
What if Vulcan and What if Jean top the list being that they have both destroyed whole solar systems with mere flare ups.

What If Vulcan was casually destroying GALAXIES and putting the fear of God into Watchers 😛 But that's neither here nor there. What "What If" Jean are you talking about though? I don't see her on the list the OP provided.

Not hating on Giraud but what has he done besides heal himself and Eternity from Bubonicus' plague staff? He needed help vs Ubiquitor & Dormammu. I won't single out Dormy tho cause he was amped and drained to the point that GOTG basically beat him up afterwards but Giraud is pressed for feats to be considered the top of the Phoenix hosts. Costume was the coolest tho.

Well, not only did Giruad deal with Bubonicus and heal himself, he also healed the infected Galactic Guardians and Eternity (something Eternity himself couldn't do). He beat the Korvac amalgam that was said to be made up of equal parts : Korvac, Michael the Enemy, AND Mainframe. He devoured a planet (Haven). He did need help with Ubiquitor BUT you got to keep in mind, he himself admitted that he was feeling drained keeping up Mainframe's world because it's systems were deceptively complicated.

Against Dormammu sure he needed help but it was TWO Dormammu's combined into one. There was also a lot of PIS/CIS in that story arc.

I hear Doon and GK coming to dismiss what they would call a crappy Franklin from that DOFP arc. 🙂

Well DoFP Franklin was casually warping reality, annihilating Sentinels, and playing around with the FF/X-Men/X-Factor like toys. He may not have displayed "Hickman level" power but he was an Omega for sure and Ahab took notice once his power flared up (this story retconned DoFP Franklin as growing up with no powers), even in the past! This was interesting because it wasn't really his power, it was Rachel Phoenix's.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Sundipped
I hear Doon and GK coming to dismiss what they would call a crappy Franklin from that DOFP arc. 🙂

He was a crappy incarnation as far as power-levels are concerned . Although that arc reinforced the idea that Franklin's a pimp as far as the psycho-redhead Jean Grey rip-offs are concerned . 😮‍💨

Also , iirc , the feats he displayed were a result of tapping into both Rachel and the younger 616-Franklin's powers . Been a while since I read that arc . I'll check again .

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Also , iirc , the feats he displayed were a result of tapping into both Rachel and the younger 616-Franklin's powers . Been a while since I read that arc . I'll check again .

The only thing he was accessing from 616 Franklin was his "dream self" ability. The power to do what he was doing was all Rachel.

TheGodKiller True Killer

^I know about the Dream Self bit . But as I said before, I'll check again .

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^I know about the Dream Self bit . But as I said before, I'll check again .

He was siphoning power from her, while using 616 Franklin's dream self ability.

The reason why he was siphoning power from her instead of his kid self :

Sundipped MURDERER

Originally posted by zopzop

What If Vulcan was casually destroying GALAXIES and putting the fear of God into Watchers 😛 But that's neither here nor there. What "What If" Jean are you talking about though? I don't see her on the list the OP provided.

I just glanced over the list and you're right, that Jean isn't on there. Anyway I was talking about the What if Phoenix hadn't died. The one who destroyed that entire alternate universe.

Originally posted by zopzop
Well, not only did Giruad deal with Bubonicus and heal himself, he also healed the infected Galactic Guardians and Eternity (something Eternity himself couldn't do). He beat the Korvac amalgam that was said to be made up of equal parts : Korvac, Michael the Enemy, AND Mainframe. He devoured a planet (Haven). He did need help with Ubiquitor BUT you got to keep in mind, he himself admitted that he was feeling drained keeping up Mainframe's world because it's systems were deceptively complicated.

The healing of Eternity was cool but that's just a typical power that the force can exhibit. Along the same lines of essence spreading throughout 616 to ensure all living things exist after the destruction of the previous universe/jump starting the mutant gene etc. It was only a cauterization involved with Eternity anyway.

As for Korvac, that version was smacked around by the GOTG. It wasn't even really a fight when Giraud showed up. He flared up then bfr'ed him to another reality

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He was a crappy incarnation as far as power-levels are concerned . Although that arc reinforced the idea that Franklin's a pimp as far as the psycho-redhead Jean Grey rip-offs are concerned . 😮‍💨

That's what I meant. Power level wise.
He's far from a pimp tho. Pimps take everything. If he would've left Rachel completely powerless, only then would it apply. 😉

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Sundipped
I just glanced over the list and you're right, that Jean isn't on there. Anyway I was talking about the What if Phoenix hadn't died. The one who destroyed that entire alternate universe.

That wasn't the only universe where Jean/Phoenix went berserk and destroyed. What If Conan fought Wolverine, it happened there too :

"Nothing prevents Jean Grey from transforming utterly and completely into her dark persona before she can destroy herself, thus the full fury of the Phoenix is unleashed on an unsuspecting populace, one final interjection reflects the statement of an entire universe..........CROM!"

The healing of Eternity was cool but that's just a typical power that the force can exhibit. Along the same lines of essence spreading throughout 616 to ensure all living things exist after the destruction of the previous universe/jump starting the mutant gene etc. It was only a cauterization involved with Eternity anyway.
As for Korvac, that version was smacked around by the GOTG. It wasn't even really a fight when Giraud showed up. He flared up then bfr'ed him to another reality

I don't think you're giving Giruad/Phoenix enough credit Sundipped, when Mainframe asked Eternity who he wanted him to summon for help, the Celestials/the Living Tribunal, Eternity replied "No, our only hope lies in the power of the Phoenix"

With "What If" Jean/Phoenix not on the list, it really comes down to Giruad vs What If Vulcan Phoenix as the most powerful host, with Rachel Summers coming in at number two. Believe it or not, I just remembered that in her fight with Necrom, she was indeed holding back. She told him she didn't want to engage him at his level or they would have destroyed the universe.
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TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by Sundipped
He's far from a pimp tho. Pimps take everything. If he would've left Rachel completely powerless, only then would it apply. 😉

That was in reference to something else .

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by zopzop

I don't think you're giving Giruad/Phoenix enough credit Sundipped, when Mainframe asked Eternity who he wanted him to summon for help, the Celestials/the Living Tribunal, Eternity replied "No, our only hope lies in the power of the Phoenix"

Hey there friend.

In all fairness, the LT and Celestials are not spatial/temporal healers.
They basically act on protocol and set specific duties.

That aside ...

Giraud never "healed" Eternity. Giraud only "cauterized" Eternity's wound.

(akin to a hot knife placed on an open wound to avoid infection)

Eternity healed himself:

That also aside ...

Giraud, with the rest of the GOTG, plus G-Rider, Strange and an alternate,
got wtf stomped by an amped Alternate Dormy.

The "amp?" ... (merged with another alternate Dormy)

Originally posted by zopzop

Believe it or not, I just remembered that in her fight with Necrom, she
was indeed holding back. She told him she didn't want to engage him
at his level or they would have destroyed the universe.
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😂 ... She must've been drunk from the amount she was already using.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey there friend.
In all fairness, the LT and Celestials are not spatial/temporal healers.
They basically act on protocol and set specific duties.

But that reality was about to bite it though, even if the LT wouldn't concern himself with one universe in the greater scheme of things, the Celestials for sure wouldn't want the universe to crumble around them.

That aside ...
Giraud never "healed" Eternity. Giraud only "cauterized" Eternity's wound.
(akin to a hot knife placed on an open wound to avoid infection)
[b]Eternity healed himself:

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The greater point is, Eternity himself couldn't stop the consumption from spreading and needed the PF (unlike the PF which cured itself and it's teammates and bfred Bubonicus).

That also aside ...
Giraud, with the rest of the GOTG, plus G-Rider, Strange and an alternate,
got wtf stomped by an amped Alternate Dormy.
The "amp?" ... (merged with another alternate Dormy)
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In all fairness Dual Dormammu did nothing to Giraud except knock him back. That entire fight was funny though as Dual Dormammu wound up getting beaten by Dr. Strange's apprentice.

😂 ... She must've been drunk from the amount she was already using.

She's a 'tard 😆

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by zopzop

But that reality was about to bite it though, even if the LT wouldn't
concern himself with one universe in the greater scheme of things,
the Celestials for sure wouldn't want the universe to crumble around them.

I think we both know that was a hyperbolic statement on the writer's part.

To suggest that Giraud can do anything that the Celestials could not, is really funny.

Imo, the writer adding the LT reference there tells me
he's not in the loop concerning said types.

Originally posted by zopzop

The greater point is, Eternity himself couldn't stop the consumption
from spreading and needed the PF (unlike the PF which cured itself
and it's teammates and bfred Bubonicus).

The only thing Giraud did was burn the area of the infected tear in Eternity.

Why Eternity could not do this himself is ridiculous,
especially when 10 issues later Eternity is meticulously repairing Space-Time,
as in Reality itself,
yet, cauterizing (via fire) a wounded is beyond him. 😂

Then again, to be fair, it is a "GOTG" book,
so the writer is going to have one of the members saving the day.

Originally posted by zopzop

In all fairness Dual Dormammu did nothing to Giraud except knock
him back. That entire fight was funny though as Dual Dormammu
wound up getting beaten by Dr. Strange's apprentice.

Zop, G got blasted back, then encased in tentacles,
then all his power was combined with the rest of the team
plus the apprentice and Strange, and still ... stomped again.

Dormy's defeat was piss-fully priceless as always.

Originally posted by zopzop

She's a 'tard

😆

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