That entire What If issue was strange, one of the few that 616 Uatu didn't narrate.
Jaff, within the M'krann Crystal, is the narrator. He claims the Crystal is multiversal and it's called the Nexus of All Realities on panel. He says since he's within the Crystal he sees across the multiverse.
At the end of the issue Jean within the WHR takes the PF back from Vulcan :
If that Crystal is indeed Multiversal and unique across all realities (stated on panel) and since the WHR is at the heart of the Crystal/located within the Crystal (stated on panel), wouldn't take make the events that took place WITHIN the WHR canon?
Jean would be, hands down, the most powerful PF host. That alt reality Vulcan would be the second most powerful canon host (since he depowered the PF corps WITHIN the Crystal.
Originally posted by zopzopIf that Crystal is indeed Multiversal and unique across all realities
(stated on panel) and since the WHR is at the heart of the
Crystal/located within the Crystal (stated on panel), wouldn't take
make the events that took place WITHIN the WHR canon?
The Mkraan Crystal itself already exploded in an alternate universe,
and it only took out that single diverged reality, and Jean, Jahf, WHR were included.
All What If's are parallel realities that diverged from an occurrence within 616.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That makes sense ... but nah.The Mkraan Crystal itself already exploded in an alternate universe,
and it only took out that single diverged reality, and Jean, Jahf, WHR were included.All What If's are parallel realities that diverged from an occurrence within 616.
Incorrect.
X-men Adventures was written approximately in 93/94 a point in time when the M'kraan crystal was a universal artifact.
Following the Age Of Apocalypse Saga it was retconned into a multiversal object-
Once this retcon became acknowledged company wide this had the effect of making that one time universal story, turn multiversal and then Marvel went ahead and made X-men Adventures Galactus' origin and the end of the previous marvel multiverse 😄
The M'kraan crystals most recent bio states clearly that as per current continuity it is a multiversal object and that if destroyed or its power fully unleashed it will destroy and then recreate the multiverse
Further to that point the bio confirms X-men Adventures by saying that the crystals destruction in the previous multiverse was what destroyed the previous multiverse and subsequently the multiverse was reborn anew-
That is the current origin of Marvel reality, that is the current origin of Galactus and the event is also referenced in LTs bio where he shapes The Brothers with The Spectre-
Dont wanna see you posting scans of Uatu talking about X-men Adventures as if its a What If within the issue.
I have already established that at the time of writing it was, however the retcon which followed a couple years later meant that the destruction of the M'kraan crystal equated to the destruction of the entire multiverse which is why this story was then made Galactus' current origin and the current origin of Marvel reality.
Again. That last sentence does not call for a barrage of scans of other recreations that have happened since or old outdated Galactus origins as is your predictable nature to do.
This is current. This is official. We'll leave it at that 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormX-Men Adventures is from the animated universe line. It's not canon to 616.
Unless Marvel the owner of said properties deems them so. I have shown that they have. Your opinion that they should not be is irrelevant. 😬
You haven't done anything but fail to obfuscate the blatantly obvious. You've also ignored all the most current Marvel Universe/Multiverse origins published on-panel. On-Panel > handbooks. Alternate universes are not canon to the 616 universe. You do have a basis for your interpretation, but it's tenuous and paper-thin at best.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont wanna see you posting scans of Uatu talking about X-men Adventures as if its a What If within the issue.I have already established that at the time of writing it was, however the retcon which followed a couple years later meant that the destruction of the M'kraan crystal equated to the destruction of the entire multiverse which is why this story was then made Galactus' current origin and the current origin of Marvel reality.
Again. That last sentence does not call for a barrage of scans of other recreations that have happened since or old outdated Galactus origins as is your predictable nature to do.
This is current. This is official. We'll leave it at that 🙂
Originally posted by ODG
X-Men Adventures is from the animated universe line. It's not canon to 616.You haven't done anything but fail to obfuscate the blatantly obvious. You've also ignored all the most current Marvel Universe/Multiverse origins published on-panel. On-Panel > handbooks. Alternate universes are not canon to the 616 universe. You do have a basis for your interpretation, but it's tenuous and paper-thin at best.
Dont give me this rubbish.
X-men Adventures is not canon to Marvel because its now a non existent reality thanks to the M'kraan crystal.
What is canon is the the fact that the outcome of the crystals destruction played a part in Galactus' origin and the creation of current Marvel reality.
This is a point accepted on panel by F4 writers within the past half a decade, Journey into Mystery Writers during Fear Itself referencing Dweller in the Darkness stemming from that defunct multiverse and current bios of Galactus, the Phoenix Force, LT and the M'kraan crystal verifying what we as readers should accept as current continuity.
Your opinion to the contrary is irrelevant. I am ignoring nothing. The current Marvel realities original creation and Galactus' origin have been clarified and confirmed by Marvel as being tied to the M'kraan crystal. Subsequent multiversal resets such as the Ultimate Nullifier for example does not change the true origin.
Your opinion on how things should be does not equate to fact.
The arrogance of you. 🙄
Originally posted by GalacticStormFixed for accuracy.
Dont give me this rubbish.X-men Adventures is not canon to Marvel because its now a non existent reality thanks to the M'kraan crystal.
What is canon is the the fact that the outcome of the crystals destruction played a part in Galactus' origin possibly in an alternate universe and the creation of
currentan alternate Marvel reality .
Originally posted by GalacticStormCharacter statements (allusions really) do not override published on-panel showings of the birth of the Marvel Universe/Multiverse. Neither do handbooks that end up contradicting themselves (that's the forum rules).
This is a point accepted on panel by F4 writers within the past half a decade, Journey into Mystery Writers during Fear Itself referencing Dweller in the Darkness stemming from that defunct multiverse and current bios of Galactus, the Phoenix Force, LT and the M'kraan crystal verifying what we as readers should accept as current continuity.
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou are willfully ignoring more current published comics because they undercut and (in other occasions outright disprove) your theories which are based on alternate universes and conflicting handbook entries.
Your opinion to the contrary is irrelevant. I am ignoring nothing. The current Marvel realities original creation and Galactus' origin have been clarified and confirmed by Marvel as being tied to the M'kraan crystal. Subsequent multiversal resets such as the Ultimate Nullifier for example does not change the true origin.Your opinion on how things should be does not equate to fact.
The arrogance of you. 🙄
Your opinion on how things should be does not equate to fact.
The absurdity of you. kinda
Originally posted by ODG
Fixed for accuracy. Character statements (allusions really) do not override published on-panel showings of the birth of the Marvel Universe/Multiverse. Neither do handbooks that end up contradicting themselves (that's the forum rules). You are willfully ignoring more current published comics because they undercut and (in other occasions outright disprove) your theories which are based on alternate universes and conflicting handbook entries.Your opinion on how things should be does not equate to fact.
The absurdity of you. kinda
Laughable 🙂
Your attempts at a counter make no sense whatsoever when the M'kraan crystal is a multiversal object. So its destruction meant the destruction of the previous multiverse entire.
Originally posted by ODG
What is canon is the the fact that the outcome of the crystals destruction played a part in Galactus' origin possibly in an alternate universe and the creation of current an alternate Marvel reality .
So please explain your attempt at a correction? 😖hifty:
I would love to hear this. 🙂
^ You can say it a hundred different times or repost the same scans ad nauseam.
Adventures of X-Men is not canon. More current on-panel events override older character statements. Handbook entries never override on-panel feats. When you're able to construct a theory that isn't held together by the thinnest of strings and cheapest of scotch tape, let us know.
In the meantime, your theory is your's and you're entitled to it. You're entitled to believe in it wholeheartedly. You're even entitled to repeatedly attempt to convince KMC for years and insult anybody who disagrees with it. Just don't act like you're above being deconstructed or ridiculed over it.
Originally posted by ODG
^ You can say it a hundred different times or repost the same scans ad nauseam.Adventures of X-Men is not canon. More current on-panel events override older character statements. Handbook entries never override on-panel feats. When you're able to construct a theory that isn't held together by the thinnest of strings and cheapest of scotch tape, let us know.
In the meantime, your theory is your's and you're entitled to it. You're entitled to believe in it wholeheartedly. You're even entitled to repeatedly attempt to convince KMC for years and insult anybody who disagrees with it. Just don't act like you're above being deconstructed or ridiculed over it.
You can state more current on panel events override the instance but without referring to some your opinion has no weight.
It has even less weight when Marvels official sources do not verify your opinion to the contrary. There is a reason why my theory is stated on panel and is also stated in the most recent official sources and yours lacks that credibility.
Your verbose and pretentious retorts may shroud your empty arguments to the eyes of the kids on here, but with me they just dont cut it. 😬
Please do state what recent multiversal origins we've had verified in sources as current as mine. This will make for some interesting reading 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou've been reminded continually about them all. Your continued and willful ignorance of same doesn't arm you with the capacity to plead from ignorance.
You can state more current on panel events override the instance but without referring to some your opinion has no weight.It has even less weight when Marvels official sources do not verify your opinion to the contrary. There is a reason why my theory is stated on panel and is also stated in the most recent official sources and yours lacks that credibility.
Your verbose and pretentious retorts may shroud your empty arguments to the eyes of the kids on here, but with me they just dont cut it. 😬
Please do state what recent multiversal origins we've had verified in sources as current as mine. This will make for some interesting reading 🙂
Your surreptitious attempt to manufacture a pretense of a challenge that you hope I will walk away from with exasperation because that challenge has been met in the past multiple times by multiple posters isn't transparent though.
Not my first rodeo, pal. doped
Originally posted by ODG
You've been reminded continually about them all. Your continued and willful ignorance of same doesn't arm you with the capacity to plead from ignorance.Your surreptitious attempt to manufacture a pretense of a challenge that you hope I will walk away from with exasperation because that challenge has been met in the past multiple times by multiple posters isn't transparent though.
Not my first rodeo, pal. doped
So to put it in laymans terms, youre going to continue to argue your point with a complete lack of evidence merely falling back on the claim that ive supposedly been told before, but not by you? 🤨
Lets do this instance for instance.
You name one single instance and i'll tell you how its not what you smugly think it is 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStormTo put it in internet terms, you've been told all this before, so the troll act is unnecessary and wasted. Don't worry though, you'll be told all this again. There's always someone willing to ram your theory back down your throat.
So to put it in laymans terms, youre going to continue to argue your point with a complete lack of evidence merely falling back on the claim that ive supposedly been told before, but not by you? 🤨Lets do this instance for instance.
You name one single instance and i'll tell you how its not what you smugly think it is 😄
I don't have the propensity for copy-pasting spammed drivel like you.
When you're able to overturn forum rules and have alternate universes and outdated handbook entries override more current, on-panel evidence, let us know. I invite you to request a mod ruling.
