DcNU Superman is clearly 'stronger', unless we talk about the mini-black hole containing feat--but then people may argue it to be unquantifiable as well, bringing us back to square one. PF Superman never bench pressed a planet's weight however, he dragged/pushed them with the horsepower of his flight--thus they were never pure strength feats, thus DcNU Supes has the edge in this department.
PF Superman is still far faster by feats though. Best thing DCnU Supes has done so far is tag Barry, but this Barry seems slower by feats vs PF Barry (a casual attoseconder--who Superman matched in perception speed, as seen in Grounded.)
PF Superman wins until something changes on that front.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBut the 'feat' in question is him literally lifting infinite weight. That's not a feat, so much is that, taken at face value, Superman could oumuscle anybody, ever to have been created. I don't see how anybody could agree with that.
The difference between this version and pre-Flashpoint is maturity imo. Pre-Flashpoint Superman was holding back a lot, he was quite careful with his powers and was reasonable enough to ask for help if possible. However, once it was clear that everything is at stake and he is the only chance the Universe has, OWAW or FC, he did those feats without much trouble.
In his pre-Flashpoint incarnation, it was quite clear in repeated scenes that he couldn't move a planet by his lonesome - everytime he needed help, and even with help he sometimes failed (keeping Earth in Orbit with Diana and J'onn or stopping the stray moon in New Krypton). Even under Jeph Loeb's big event OWAW he needed a sundip and him moving a planet was treated as a big deal. Maybe he could have done it in an extreme situation, but he'd been collapsing afterwards. Casually moving Earth for days without sunlight? That is something that is far beyond pre-FP Superman has shown or even been implied as capable of, and I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.
Originally posted by Philosophía
But the 'feat' in question is him literally lifting infinite weight. That's not a feat, so much is that, taken at face value, Superman could oumuscle anybody, ever to have been created. I don't see how anybody could agree with that.In his pre-Flashpoint incarnation, it was quite clear in repeated scenes that he couldn't move a planet by his lonesome - everytime he needed help, and even with help he sometimes failed (keeping Earth in Orbit with Diana and J'onn or stopping the stray moon in New Krypton). Even under Jeph Loeb's big event OWAW he needed a sundip and him moving a planet was treated as a big deal. Maybe he could have done it in an extreme situation, but he'd been collapsing afterwards. Casually moving Earth for days without sunlight? That is something that is far beyond pre-FP Superman has shown or even been implied as capable of, and I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.
And I think that's exactly what Morrison wanted to do. Create the perfect strength feat. I can agree with it tbh.
However moving a Planet is not the same as benchpressing it's weight. There are more things then just Earths mass what keep it in it's orbit. The Black Hole feat is similar and is arguably in the same level. You have to overcome the gravitional pull of the Sun, the Moon and some other near planets to move earth from it's orbit. I don't think Pre-Flashpoint Superman would have much trouble to replicate this feat in this machine. He was just unfortunate enough to never try it. Still we have 2 infinite feats, black holes, mageddon etc. It's enough.
Superman bench pressing sextillions of tons for five days.
Ben Tennyson recreating a universe casually as Alien X.
It's been a good week of feats for my faves.
edit: BP, while what you say is true about moving the earth itself is different than just benchpressing what its weight would be, (due to other gravitational bodies involved) you have to remember that PF Superman never simply moved them. His flight power gave him horsepower in dragging, so those were never purely strength feats.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
edit: BP, while what you say is true about moving the earth itself is different than just benchpressing what its weight would be, (due to other gravitational bodies involved) you have to remember that PF Superman never simply moved them. His flight power gave him horsepower in dragging, so those were never purely strength feats.
But with a force of over
you could stop the Earth in its orbit and move it around freely, as long as you don't get too close to the sun.
For reference that's about 6.09 10^18 tons on Earth, so six quintillions, which is an order of magnitude less than sextillion.
I'd say that the feat is fair game. To be frank, I don't know why people would argue against it, unless they were biased. [list=1][*]New 52 has been rather consistent in terms of feats, or rather hasn't had time to screw up; [*]it's a new and current feat, thus representing DC properly; [*]it's already quantified.[/list=1]