Originally posted by NewjakNo, he hasn't. In fact, any encounter pre-DCnU Superman had with planet/moon moving showed, every single time, that he needed help in order to do it, and it wasn't a sure thing even with help.
Pre-Flashpoint Superman has been doing incredibly impressive feats for many, many years that are on par or better than the one DCNU performed.
Don't talk about things you have no clue about.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaInfinite Book, Slowing down the super sized Ship in Final Crisis, surviving super novas, containing a black hole in his hand, the numerous speed feats he has.
No, he hasn't. In fact, any encounter pre-DCnU Superman had with planet/moon moving showed, every single time, that he needed help in order to do it, and it wasn't a sure thing even with help.Don't talk about things you have no clue about.
Superman Pre-Flashpoint wins until DCNU can get a more complete body of work, which I'm sure will happen racking up feats is something Superman is designed to do.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI hope you realize that you're saying that nobody can ever surpass pre-DCnU Superman in strenght, for the simple fact that he lifted infinity. As in, no character who was ever created, or will ever be created, can ever surpass him, and they'd have to lift infinite weight in order to match him.
And I think that's exactly what Morrison wanted to do. Create the perfect strength feat. I can agree with it tbh.
As in, put all of the Marvel Universe characters (including cosmic beings) who haven't lifted infinite weight together, and Superman wouldn't even be budged in terms of strength.
On the other hand, you ignore the repeated times that pre-DCnU Superman has been explicitly shown to need help, and even fail with that help, when Planet/Moon moving was involved.
Are you serious here? Do you not grasp what saying "Superman lifted infinite weight" implies?
Basically, DCnU Superman could have crushed countless galaxies into a fist-seized cube, soccer-kicked it into another Megaverse, and it would still be inferior to pre-DCnU Superman because, well, that guy lifted infinite weight!
What the f*ck?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
However moving a Planet is not the same as benchpressing it's weight. There are more things then just Earths mass what keep it in it's orbit. The Black Hole feat is similar and is arguably in the same level. You have to overcome the gravitional pull of the Sun, the Moon and some other near planets to move earth from it's orbit. I don't think Pre-Flashpoint Superman would have much trouble to replicate this feat in this machine. He was just unfortunate enough to never try it. Still we have 2 infinite feats, black holes, mageddon etc. It's enough.
1). Bench-pressing a planet requires lesser force than to move it out of orbit.
2). Superman has infinite strength is a retarded argument, and this is coming from one of the most overzealous Superman fans here.
3). Nothing else other than the infinite feat come close to bench-pressing Earth for 5 days, without sun, and only sweating a drop at the end while basically being "is that it?"
I honestly can't wrap my head around somebody reading pre-Flashpoint Superman and going "eh, this guy can perform that feat". As in, I've read literally every one of his appearances and I'm telling you that he is consistently not even close to being powerful enough to do it.
Originally posted by NewjakIt's already being discussed. Don't tell me you believe Superman has infinite strength? As in, he is infinitely stronger than, say, Thor for example?
Infinite Book
Originally posted by Newjak😂
Slowing down the super sized Ship in Final Crisis
Not even close to being comparable.
Originally posted by NewjakDurability.
surviving super novas
Originally posted by NewjakTell me, with actual argumentation, what level of strength does this feat imply? Or do you think throwing around "black hole" means anything, because you've heard it on the forum?
containing a black hole in his hand
Originally posted by NewjakWe're talking strenght. I even mentioned pre-DCnU Superman has better speed feats.
the numerous speed feats he has.
I can't believe I'm arguing that the pre-Flashpoint Superman couldn't bench-press Earth for 5 days without sun and going "is that it?" afterwards.
Holy flying fu*k.
If I said he's capable of this a few days ago, everybody would be like "stop trolling, Phil" and "what, you've turned into h1?"
And now everybody else is h1 and is a fan of pre-Flashpoint Superman, with his apparent "casual planet moving strength for extended periods of time", in order to demean this feat.
Ah, KMC.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaDid I say he had Infinite Strength
It's already being discussed. Don't tell me you believe Superman has infinite strength? As in, he is infinitely stronger than, say, Thor for example?😂
Not even close to being comparable.
Durability.
Tell me, with actual argumentation, what level of strength does this feat imply? Or do you think throwing around "black hole" means anything, because you've heard it on the forum?
We're talking strenght. I even mentioned pre-DCnU Superman has better speed feats.
But it is what it was an incredibly impressive strength feat up there with many others.
The ship feat shows the amount of Force he can exert to do something when needed to
The black hole feat was meant to impressive considering the gravitational pull of a blackhole is considered great, the strength needed to contain would therefore also be great.
We're not just talking about speed, the thread is Superman vs Superman in a fight. I know you think little of me Phil but honestly give me some credit. I wouldn't throw speed and durability feats around if I'm just talking about strength even though the one feat isn't above what extremely strong High Heralds can perform.
Pre-Flashpoint Superman wins until DCNU can get a more complete body work.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Then go Dark Phoenix Cyclops and start handing out warnings and bans like crazy.
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Originally posted by Philosophía
I can't believe I'm arguing that the pre-Flashpoint Superman couldn't bench-press Earth for 5 days without sun and going "is that it?" afterwards.Holy flying fu*k.
If I said he's capable of this a few days ago, everybody would be like "stop trolling, Phil" and "what, you've turned into h1?"
And now everybody else is h1 and is a fan of pre-Flashpoint Superman, with his apparent "casual planet moving strength for extended periods of time", in order to demean this feat.
Ah, KMC.
Good point. Where were all these ****ers a few weeks ago?
Originally posted by Philosophía
I can't believe I'm arguing that the pre-Flashpoint Superman couldn't bench-press Earth for 5 days without sun and going "is that it?" afterwards.Holy flying fu*k.
If I said he's capable of this a few days ago, everybody would be like "stop trolling, Phil" and "what, you've turned into h1?"
And now everybody else is h1 and is a fan of pre-Flashpoint Superman, with his apparent "casual planet moving strength for extended periods of time", in order to demean this feat.
Ah, KMC.
Originally posted by NewjakYou don't have to say it.
Did I say he had Infinite StrengthBut it is what it was an incredibly impressive strength feat up there with many others.
You used Superman lifting infinite weight.
That means you say that Superman has infinite strenght.
Either stand by that, or not. Don't cry "stop putting words in my mouth" once you realize the absurdity of your argument.
Originally posted by NewjakHoley moley vaguness!
The ship feat shows the amount of Force he can exert to do something when needed to
That means absolutely nothing.
Unless you can prove using actual arguments, you've got nothing, and your mentioning of this feat was just to fill up space, in order to seem what you have an idea what you're talking about.
Which you don't.
Originally posted by NewjakHoley molet vaguness! Again!
The black hole feat was meant to impressive considering the gravitational pull of a blackhole is considered great, the strength needed to contain would therefore also be great.
Prove what it imples. Give me evidence it's comparable to what Superman did here.
Show me anything, or stand down, and don't talk about things you're not knowledgeable about, just to seem knowledgeable.
Because, as it can be seen here, it only makes you look ridiculous. Because I'm not the type to let you get away with bullshit.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He once said "I can bench press earth" just two years ago. Everybody was "TROLLOLOLOL, hyperbole". KMC never leaves a chance to demean superman feats, even posters at CBR have agreed that this is beyond any herald level being but apparently silver surfer can do this on KMC.
Yah, clearly everyone on KMC hates Superman and demeans his feats but loves Silver Surfer. 👆
Originally posted by -Pr-Seriously, do you realize that people are now just coming out, saying "eh, I believe the Superman we've been debating for the last half a decade here at KMC was actually capable of bench-pressing Earth for days on-end without sunlight, and being basically 'meh' about it"?
Good point. Where were all these ****ers a few weeks ago?
It's a miracle.
This is a special breed of idiocy.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I can't believe I'm arguing that the pre-Flashpoint Superman couldn't bench-press Earth for 5 days without sun and going "is that it?" afterwards.Holy flying fu*k.
If I said he's capable of this a few days ago, everybody would be like "stop trolling, Phil" and "what, you've turned into h1?"
And now everybody else is h1 and is a fan of pre-Flashpoint Superman, with his apparent "casual planet moving strength for extended periods of time", in order to demean this feat.
Ah, KMC.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He once said "I can bench press earth" just two years ago. Everybody was "TROLLOLOLOL, hyperbole". KMC never leaves a chance to demean superman feats, even posters at CBR have agreed that this is beyond any herald level being but apparently silver surfer can do this on KMC.
Originally posted by NewjakThat was something I posted in the how strong do you think Superman is thread.
I doubt you're going to be able to get a very accurate number.As for Superman's strength like most characters in that range it can be highly dynamic, and can go up and down.
But if we're talking about what I think he is listed at. The best I can give you is he is for sure planetary, in that I bet he can lift a planet if need be.
So don't act like everyone has always been against the idea that Pre-Flashpoint Superman can bench the planet. I have always said superman is one of if not the strongest High Herald character and given the power level of that tier moving planets and benching planets is well within his strength range imo.
Most of the time the the disagreements come with the notion you guys carry that this somehow makes the character so much stronger than everyother character in that range that you guys think he will easily beat them all whether in a fight or a test of strength.
Originally posted by NewjakI don't oppose the idea that, in a very extreme sitution, with everything on stake and the only option, pre-DCnU Superman could probably move a planet (eventough that is very hard to prove based on actual arguments - in fact, consistency shows that he can't even in extreme situations, when everything is on the line - see JLA, New Krypton or whatever), but he'd most definitely be unconscious or exhausted right afterwards.
That was something I posted in the how strong do you think Superman is thread.So don't act like everyone has always been against the idea that Pre-Flashpoint Superman can bench the planet. I have always said superman is one of if not the strongest High Herald character and given the power level of that tier moving planets and benching planets is well within his strength range imo.
Most of the time the the disagreements come with the notion you guys carry that this somehow makes the character so much stronger than everyother character in that range that you guys think he will easily beat them all whether in a fight or a test of strength.
Here, Superman does it as a training exercise, casually, for 5 days, out of the sunlight, and is literally "is that it?" afterwards.
The difference in magnitude is immense.
I'm tempted to battlezone people on this because it's so obvious for anyone who has actually read the comics.