Originally posted by Nihilist
Go ahead and give .e feats from the axe and godslayer so we can compare.
I want your opinion on this as an objective poster.
I go by what I see in the comics, and in comics Thanos got cut by a random axe, like he has been pierced by Hawkeye's arrows.
That happened ON PANEL and IN CONTINUITY.
I know that there was no specific mention of the axe or the arrows being enhanced and those weapons cut/pierced Thanos skin.
And to put it in more perspective to this thread, how would Thanos fare if he got struck to the eyes by an established indestructible magical weapon like Aquaman did to NuDS?
Originally posted by Nihilist
That's part of the problem thought. You're using AA as a gauge on Thanos durability. For instance Groot was a threat to Thanos yet in Imperative a weakened Thanos Kod Groot with ease...nothing Bendis wrote tallies up with continuity
Bendis is creating continuity. That's the whole point.
There's no way that Thanos is gonna be gauged like he was still written by Starlin.
That would be ignoring his showing altogether.
That isn't happening.
Thanos is getting nerfed to put it simply.
This showing is part of his bio.
This happened. Hawkeye can reference it in a future issue BECAUSE IT HAPPENED.
Vision and Luke Cage can have a coffee with Spiderman and discuss how the beat Thanos, because IT HAPPENED.
Reed could clone Thanos if he got his hand on his broken teeth, because IT HAPPENED.
So seeing that Thanos is treated by MARVEL COMICS in a different way than before, how would Thanos react if Aquaman stabbed him in the eyes with said indestructible magical Trident?
Originally posted by comicfan11
Bendis is creating continuity. That's the whole point.
There's no way that Thanos is gonna be gauged like he was still written by Starlin.
That would be ignoring his showing altogether.
That isn't happening.
Thanos is getting nerfed to put it simply.
This showing is part of his bio.
This happened. Hawkeye can reference it in a future issue BECAUSE IT HAPPENED.
Vision and Luke Cage can have a coffee with Spiderman and discuss how the beat Thanos, because IT HAPPENED.
Reed could clone Thanos if he got his hand on his broken teeth, because IT HAPPENED.So seeing that Thanos is treated by MARVEL COMICS in a different way than before, how would Thanos react if Aquaman stabbed him in the eyes with said indestructible magical Trident?
Per the purposes of this forum, though, you're supposed to take into a account a character's entire history and have him operate at his best/optimal levels (barring amps unless otherwise specifically stated by the OP).
Comics in general are rife with inconsistency because, ultimately, the story takes precedent over power displays and feats. Living comic to comic, feat to feat, for these characters essentially skews the whole purpose of trying to debate them in the first place unless you look at the bigger picture.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Per the purposes of this forum, though, you're supposed to take into a account a character's entire history and have him operate at his best/optimal levels (barring amps unless otherwise specifically stated by the OP).Comics in general are rife with inconsistency because, ultimately, the story takes precedent over power displays and feats. Living comic to comic, feat to feat, for these characters essentially skews the whole purpose of trying to debate them in the first place unless you look at the bigger picture.
Ok so how much has Thanos's stock fallen if we average this with his history?
Just don't try to tell me he remains unaffected.
And also how would he react if Aquaman did to him what he did to NuDS?
Originally posted by Nihilist
Haha. Jog on you clown.I'm not wasting anymore time with a troll that doesn't understand anything
I would report you but I enjoy your comedic value.
You are so damn cut when you deflect questions and resort to name calling.
Like a sick puppy who got his lunch stolen by Bendis.
Your objectivity is also helped by your Avatar and Sig in this case.
Originally posted by comicfan11
Ok so how much has Thanos's stock fallen if we average this with his history?
Just don't try to tell me he remains unaffected.And also how would he react if Aquaman did to him what he did to NuDS?
Considering the forces that rallied against him and still couldn't KO him, I'd say this feat isn't even all that horrible to begin with. Lower end, durability wise, but damage soak wise? The guy was still conscious and hadn't even gone on the offensive. Factored with the fact he had just been depowered and apparently Tony hypothosized the cube had possibly been detrimental to him according to ODG's post earlier in the thread (I'd have to see said scan to verify that statement), I'm not seeing how horrible his stock has dropped just because it was a new comic that came out. If we did that for every character, tiers would change like every month.
Thanos is still apparently immortal, so while such an attack would definitely hurt him, I doubt he'd be KO'd.
That's without factoring in the feats of Thor, Hulk, Rulk, Hawkeye (whose arrows have hurt Worthy Hulk), Captain America (whose blows have already phased Thanos under Starlin as well as people such as Hulk and Thor), and everyone else attacking in concert.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I like how some people want to treat all high showings as gospel and dispel anything they don't like as PIS.You can't weasel your way out of what happened to Thanos just because you don't like it. He got butt devastated by a bunch of heroes who wouldn't be able to shine Darkseid's boots.
By feats, this team would be a challenge for Darkseid, DCnU or "Avatar". That really can't be argued.
I can see why people love this feat and comic, though. Some of Thanos' more vocal supporters have probably annoyed the hell out of people so this can be seen as comeuppance. And I can see why fans of Thanos would want to play damage control as this comic raped Thanos more character wise than power level wise (though it wasn't too kind to him in that department, either).
But really, Thanos got rocked by virtually every notable hero on Earth barring the muties. And he was hurt, visibly so, but still not KO'd. And that was only after plot device depowerment and taking advantage of his surprise due to same fact.
It's not Thanos' best showing ever, but trying to use this as the be-all end-all doesn't make sense. Even if it's to troll his fanboys.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Considering the forces that rallied against him and still couldn't KO him, I'd say this feat isn't even all that horrible to begin with. Lower end, durability wise, but damage soak wise? The guy was still conscious and hadn't even gone on the offensive. Factored with the fact he had just been depowered and apparently Tony hypothosized the cube had possibly been detrimental to him according to ODG's post earlier in the thread (I'd have to see said scan to verify that statement), I'm not seeing how horrible his stock has dropped just because it was a new comic that came out. If we did that for every character, tiers would change like every month.Thanos is still apparently immortal, so while such an attack would definitely hurt him, I doubt he'd be KO'd.
He was depowered meaning he got back to his standard level, sans fake Cube.
As for what Stark says that's hypothesis and not proven.
Like Batman hypothesizing all the time about crimes, until the are proven they are just hypotheses. It's the definition of hypothesis.
As for my money, there's already another post and most posters believe that the Aquaman attack would hurt him. Not kill him, but possibly KO him or bind him. He can be hurt by lesser weapons so that's what logic dictates.
That's what the majority of the posters on that thread believe and I agree with them.
Thanos COULDN'T retaliate and that shows weakness. And it's not for the lack of trying. He managed to punch Groot but that's all. He was being hurt. Loosing blood and teeth. So I'd say that his average is brought down significantly after this. And I expect more to come now that he is at the hands of Bendis for the next months at least.
Originally posted by Odekahn
I like how some people want to treat all high showings as gospel and dispel anything they don't like as PIS.You can't weasel your way out of what happened to Thanos just because you don't like it. He got butt devastated by a bunch of heroes who wouldn't be able to shine Darkseid's boots.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
By feats, this team would be a challenge for Darkseid, DCnU or "Avatar". That really can't be argued.I can see why people love this feat and comic, though. Some of Thanos' more vocal supporters have probably annoyed the hell out of people so this can be seen as comeuppance. And I can see why fans of Thanos would want to play damage control as this comic raped Thanos more character wise than power level wise (though it wasn't too kind to him in that department, either).
But really, Thanos got rocked by virtually every notable hero on Earth barring the muties. And he was hurt, visibly so, but still not KO'd. And that was only after plot device depowerment and taking advantage of his surprise due to same fact.
It's not Thanos' best showing ever, but trying to use this as the be-all end-all doesn't make sense. Even if it's to troll his fanboys.
Stop using "every notable hero on Earth" as a defense for Thanos.
It make's him look even worse since the only 3 heroes that would present a threat to Starlin Thanos were Rulk, Hulk and Thor.
By acknowledging characters like Spiderman and Black Widow you further confirm how weak he was in this issue.
Originally posted by comicfan11
He was depowered meaning he got back to his standard level, sans fake Cube.
As for what Stark says that's hypothesis and not proven.
Like Batman hypothesizing all the time about crimes, until the are proven they are just hypotheses. It's the definition of hypothesis.As for my money, there's already another post and most posters believe that the Aquaman attack would hurt him. Not kill him, but possibly KO him or bind him. He can be hurt by lesser weapons so that's what logic dictates.
That's what the majority of the posters on that thread believe and I agree with them.Thanos COULDN'T retaliate and that shows weakness. And it's not for the lack of trying. He managed to punch Groot but that's all. He was being hurt. Loosing blood and teeth. So I'd say that his average is brought down significantly after this. And I expect more to come now that he is at the hands of Bendis for the next months at least.
Yes, and he clearly didn't expect to be robbed of his newfound power. Stark's words certainly carry some degree of weight, especially considering the fact that Thanos wasn't even aware he just displaced the Elders and Thor instead of killing him. And usually, when brainy types make such statements, that's the writer offering insight to the reader as to why something might have happened. It certainly holds more weight than nothing at all.
I don't see how such a grievous attack would KO or kill him, especially considering the vast quantity of things which haven't. Hurting Thanos and beating him into unconsciousness are two different things, clearly. That's the difference between durability and damage soak.
He got jumped by literally every major hero on Earth at the time barring the X-Men. And considering the independent track record of these beings, how or why this is being treated as something completely embarrassing is silly, let alone that this somehow takes precedence over everything else. It's the same with high end feats and posters suddenly marking out and trying to apply that feat as the new norm until another comic comes out to rectify it. If you did the comparison to all of Thanos' fights and feats with this one and averaged it out, his stock wouldn't drop as drastically as you think.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, and he clearly didn't expect to be robbed of his newfound power. Stark's words certainly carry some degree of weight, especially considering the fact that Thanos wasn't even aware he just displaced the Elders and Thor instead of killing him. And usually, when brainy types make such statements, that's the writer offering insight to the reader as to why something might have happened. It certainly holds more weight than nothing at all.I don't see how such a grievous attack would KO or kill him, especially considering the vast quantity of things which haven't. Hurting Thanos and beating him into unconsciousness are two different things, clearly. That's the difference between durability and damage soak.
He got jumped by literally every major hero on Earth at the time barring the X-Men. And considering the independent track record of these beings, how or why this is being treated as something completely embarrassing is silly, let alone that this somehow takes precedence over everything else. It's the same with high end feats and posters suddenly marking out and trying to apply that feat as the new norm until another comic comes out to rectify it. If you did the comparison to all of Thanos' fights and feats with this one and averaged it out, his stock wouldn't drop as drastically as you think.
I agree that in comics scientists word holds some weight because they set the table for CONFIRMATION, but to accept them as fact they must first be PROVEN.
If what Tony said is confirmed in a following issue then I will agree to it as fact.
As of now it's just a hypothesis and nothing more. And it bears no relevance whatsoever until it is confirmed (NOT HYPOTHESIZED BUT CONFIRMED) on panel.
I understand the difference between durability and damage soak but given what I read on panel, there's no way Thanos isn't affected by the Trident attack. Koed? don't know. Killed? extreeeeeeeemely doubtfoul. Blinded? The majority of the posters on the other thread seems to agree and I'm with them.
At least we agree his stock dropped (and I'm sure you know that there are people who will try and spin it as completely irrelevant)
How much?
Let's just Bendis work his magic.
Originally posted by comicfan11
Stop using "every notable hero on Earth" as a defense for Thanos.
It make's him look even worse since the only 3 heroes that would present a threat to Starlin Thanos were Rulk, Hulk and Thor.By acknowledging characters like Spiderman and Black Widow you further confirm how weak he was in this issue.
Thor, Rulk, and Hulk, independently, all have feats to justify harming Thanos under their own power. Fact.
Coupled with everyone else's feats in addition to accumulating damage on to Thanos, I don't get why that can be argued.
Stop trying to use "Avengers Assemble" as the benchmark to weigh Thanos for a battleboard discussion when feats and histories in general are to be taken into consideration, not the events of a single comic.