Nephthys
The Gr8est!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If you're gonna make a movie that feels more real and gritty, with a darker tone and atmosphere, then making your villain act like a cartoon character kinda misses the point. Cartoon Zod fit in the cartoon Donner film, he doesn't in Snyder's. Though yeah, he deserves credit for actually being the closest to having a sympathetic situation. Almost.
Dude, he wasn't even that hammy at all. He was more intense than over the top. His big 'I WILL FIND HIM!' wasn't meant to be cheesy or hammy, it was meant to be psychotic and crazy. Without pulling the 'appeal to the majority' fallacy, even the critics I've seen that hated the movie agree that he was pretty great as Zod.
'Operatic' was the phrase I saw him described as.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
As an aside, what was up with the truck scene? For someone trying to lay low and blend in, he sure likes to go over-the-top in destroying a man's livelihood in broad daylight. Again, kind of a weird thing to do for a good guy who avoids violence and "just wants to help". The guy's a prick to you, so you destroy his property and livelihood by crucifying his truck in the middle of the day. Weird and lucky that no one saw/heard that disproportionate over-the-top reaction. I thought this was a nice guy?
It was a joke.
You know the things you guys are complaining we didn't get enough of?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It's a romance. It's Lois Lane and Superman, everyone knows about that famous coupling. And it came the f*ck outta nowhere.
It was flirting. It seems that you're bringing in your preconceptions of Superman that don't match with the actual movie. At no point do they actually get together or anything, the movie is very clearly just showing the start of what could be a relationship. And how does it come out of nowhere if you're expecting it?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
What? No, I'm not talking about some mid-fight rumination. Where'd you get that from? I'm talking about shaving some time off that infinite climax and showing us Superman lamenting the destruction of Metropolis, the warping of the planet core, and the deaths of thousands. Like, instead of just cutting to the end scene with the colonel, inject a scene that show him acknowledging what his presence has caused. I just expected, before the movie ended, to see Superman expressing regret and sadness at all the horrible shit that happened. Maybe some admission of responsibility that it's his presence on Earth that drew the danger. But they didn't show us that.
Well you specifically compared it to Superman rescuing people, repairing the damage and taking the fight elsewhere in Superman 4 (awful movie btw). Such a comparison only highlights the difference in tone. This Superman isn't able to fix everything and avoid all consequences and be the perfect superhero. He can't shoot repair-beams from his eyes and when he tries to change arena's Zod punts him right back again. I just want you to accept that thats not a fault of the movie.
I will admit that the cut from Superman freaking out to shenanigans with the military was jarring, yes.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I really shouldn't have to watch interviews about the movie in order to justify something that happened in the movie.But yeah, that makes sense. It's still disproportionate though. We see his heartache for having to kill the last Kryptonian... but we see no heartache for the countless people that Kryptonian killed. *shrug* Would have been nice to see a scene that showed that, but I guess that would have detracted from the Matrix Revolutions homage.
You don't. Its clearly a traumatic thing and it has an obvious reason for being so. I was just pointing out the interview for further elaboration, which is the whole point of interviews. You don't need it to justify what happened though. I mean, pretty much everyone already knows that Superman doesn't like killing people. Almost no-ones going to be confused as to why he was so sad afterwards.
In fact, the theater I was in had a small child who after the movie as they were getting up asked his father why Superman got so sad after killing Zod. 'Because he had to kill the last member of his species. Now he's all alone.' The dad said (or something like that). The kid responded 'Oh, that is sad' and made a :C face.
I agree though that would have been nice.
....... oh well??? 😐
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
What? That's not what happened. He saved the planet by fighting Zod. And that fight caused a terrible amount of damage. I was expecting the ultimate symbol of good and justice to acknowledge that, accept some burden of guilt and responsibility. Show that he cared, you know? Actually show that he cared, not have it implied from his comic book history. But they didn't, so...
Actually he saved the world by destroying the World Engine. Its only afterwards, when Zods clearly lost and refuses to surrender when Superman gives him the chance to, that they fight.
And he cared enough to snap the guys neck to save innocent people. You just can't say that Superman didn't care about people in this movie. That's retarded. Comparing him to a closet villain and Bella Swan is just laughable. He is constantly putting himself out there to save other people. Constantly holding himself back and hiding from the world, despite how much it hurts his life, despite having to watch his dad die in front of his eyes, because they aren't ready. Because of the effect it would have on the rest of the world. You later claim that Superman lacks humanity. Bullshit. He gives everything for humanity. You can't question Supermans commitment humanity. You just can't.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
But I want him to feel responsible.
Tough.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I want him to show some compassion and guilt. Actually show it.
He shows tons of compassion and has nothing to be guilty for.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
This is why I said he's an *sshole and compared him to a closet villain. A city ruined, a planet lasered, thousands dead, the world in turmoil--and I had been expecting Superman to show some regret. I'm just repeating myself ad nauseum here, and I think you get what I'm saying. He may be an alien, but he lacks humanity. He's supposed to be a sympathetic force for good, full of compassion for humans and a desire to guide them toward peace and greatness etc. etc. But Man of Steel showed us a Superman who doesn't think twice about the destruction around him. I'm going to bold this part, because I get the feeling you're misreading me and assuming that I'm saying the Superman characters is responsible for everything bad and is actually the bad guy. But---[b]Superman's not responsible, but he should FEEL responsible. A man of conscience, and morality should feel some inner turmoil, regardless if the blame ultimately lies with him or not. But the movie didn't show us that, so...[/b]
Again, too bad. The movie wasn't catered to your needs. Just because you wanted it isn't a strike against the movie. Theres no reason why he should feel responsible. You think Thor should feel responsible for the shit Loki pulls? Afterall if it wasn't for Thor he wouldn't have done any of the stuff he does. Did you want a scene of Thor weeping in New York as well?
Also you complain about him brooding too much and then want him to brood more? Lolwut?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Ultimately that's my big problem with this film.
I can't see how this is a big problem. You want one more scene of Superman showing compassion for humanity after an entire movie where he sacrifices for them and fights to save them. I'm sorry dude, I'm really not trying to shit on you or anything, but I just see this as a really petty and ultimately small complaint.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And he's not a U.S. citizen. He's an illegal alien.
He's grown up his whole life in Kansas. He's more American than you, you Canadian bastard.