Asgard vs Mutants

Professor X says "Sleep" leaving Odin and Loki to fight alone while the rest of the Asgardians are unconscious.

Odin solos while Loki does whatever.

If one put put True Legion(the incarnation that stuffed 99% of the universe in a box killed those Limbo Elder Gods) in this thread, then the matchup becomes interesting imo. I'd like to see how he matches up against Marvel's top skyfather.

Legion has to be above Skyfather, for doing what he did to the Elder Gods, and the Universe.

^Apart from narrative hyperbole, those Elder Gods didn't really have many uber feats iirc.

The universe-stuffing-in-a-box feat is the only feat which one could use to argue Legion being above skyfathers imo.

Owning Magik's Elder Gods while great, doesn't in itself put him above Odin.

And stuffing the Universe in a box while high end, isn't above Odin's best either. Just this week as he returned from exile, he casually negated/contained/channeled all the power Surtur had amassed returning himself to his former glory. Enough power to destroy the Multiverse and all that jazz.

Not to mention, a weapon Odin has enchanted had the power to create a pocket dimension/Universe as well.

^Where was it stated or implied that Surtur's accumulated power was enough to destroy all of the multiverse? Iirc, it was only supposed to "burn" the Nine Realms. If not, I'll be glad to be corrected.

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He was going to channel the power he had accumulated through Otherworld into the rest of the Multiverse, burning all of creation. Surtur describes his plan as well in the previous issue but I do not have the scans.

Ah, but he needed to use Otherworld as a conduit of sorts to cause that sort of destruction. That's the skyfather scaled-up equivalent of Hulk laying waste to countless worlds while within an Interdimensional Nexus.

It's still pretty decent.

The plot hole being that Asgardian Space can withstand that energy however...

Never said it wasn't.

Asgardian space is pretty tough, I guess....

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Ah, but he needed to use Otherworld as a conduit of sorts to cause that sort of destruction. That's the skyfather scaled-up equivalent of Hulk laying waste to countless worlds while within an Interdimensional Nexus.

Yes, but he still possessed enough energy to reduce the Multiverse to a cinder, he simply needed a link/conduit to get to it. A distinction, but ultimately not one relevant here as Odin still dealt with all of that energy in it's totality casually.

Besides, you didn't even recall him being a threat to the Multiverse.

Without Otherworld being used as a conduit, it was stated as being an unmaking universal fire.

That's because I stopped purchasing Fraction's Thor series after #6. Whatever rudimentary knowledge I had about the series was from a couple of spoilers here and there on CBR and Guy's scans on Character Ownage.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Without Otherworld being used as a conduit, it was stated as being an unmaking universal fire.

Otherworld was a conduit for the power he had amassed through his city. The Multiverse burning away? It would have been the energy he had stored.

Loki describing it as an un-making Universal fire doesn't mean that it can do no better than destroy a Universe in regards to power. In literally the next few panels he points out how Surtur would destroy the Multiverse. The word creation was used in another scene, Surtur also pointed out that he had amassed enough power to destroy the Multiverse. Could it do so on it's own? No, his fire would just burn everything in this Universe away and have nowhere to go, but Otherworld provided room for his flame to expand and it would until nothing was left. This is a distinction worth noting but when it comes to Odin, he negated all that energy in it's totality.

Galactus would have just punched the fire in the dick.

Also, Merlin's overratedness rear its ugly head once again.

Another random thought, but the Shadow of the Twilight destroying the Twilight was ass ramming stupid.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Otherworld was a conduit for the power he had amassed through his city. The Multiverse burning away? It would have been the energy he had stored.

Loki describing it as an un-making Universal fire doesn't mean that it can do no better than destroy a Universe in regards to power. In literally the next few panels he points out how Surtur would destroy the Multiverse. The word creation was used in another scene, Surtur also pointed out that he had amassed enough power to destroy the Multiverse. Could it do so on it's own? No, his fire would just burn everything in this Universe away and have nowhere to go, but Otherworld provided room for his flame to expand and it would until nothing was left. This is a distinction worth noting but when it comes to Odin, he negated all that energy in it's totality.

I'm not so sure. Surtur seems to indicate that Otherworld doesn't merely channel the fire into the other universes but somehow amplifies it.

Here is what he says in Thor #20. "Otherworld is the home of all magic. It connects with all other realms. To strike a match there would make all realities a pyre, all universes kindling."

I'll download the issue when I get home and read it as #21 doesn't leave much room for interpretation.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Owning Magik's Elder Gods while great, doesn't in itself put him above Odin.

And stuffing the Universe in a box while high end, isn't above Odin's best either. Just this week as he returned from exile, he casually negated/contained/channeled all the power Surtur had amassed returning himself to his former glory. Enough power to destroy the Multiverse and all that jazz.

Not to mention, a weapon Odin has enchanted had the power to create a pocket dimension/Universe as well.

Channeling someone's energy isn't a feat. Odin depends on help (channeling someone else's energy) and can't destroy a multiverse under his own power.

Pocket dimension = crap compared to boxing the REAL universe

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, but he still possessed enough energy to reduce the Multiverse to a cinder, he simply needed a link/conduit to get to it. A distinction, but ultimately not one relevant here as Odin still dealt with all of that energy in it's totality casually.

Besides, you didn't even recall him being a threat to the Multiverse.

Thanos channeled HOTU within him, many characters can channel energy already present. Not a feat

Originally posted by h1a8
Channeling someone's energy isn't a feat. Odin depends on help (channeling someone else's energy) and can't destroy a multiverse under his own power.

Pocket dimension = crap compared to boxing the REAL universe

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos channeled HOTU within him, many characters can channel energy already present. Not a feat

Negating (That's how it was described in the next issue*) the amount of energy that Surtur had is a feat and an impressive one at that.

I mean, it's not as if the character's in that issue were clearly in fatal peril (Along with the rest of the Universe), were desperate for aid and knew only Odin could accomplish what needed to be done.

Oh wait, that's exactly what happened. I'm sure you still think that means it isn't impressive and many could accomplish it despite the comic telling you otherwise.

*http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=14040&pg=3

I don't even begin to understand how you think that Thanos example applies here.