Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
sealed the Serpent easy enough after wiping the planet that came before Earth clean of life (Might be an explanation that the Serpent was weakened cause of this).
It is. The "fear stuff" only has power while said being exists. If Odin were to wipe out all life of earth much of the Serpent's fear energy should dissipate.
But the crown was forged directly from Loki's thoughts and dreams. That's a bit different, especially since it doesn't necessarily act like the Serpent does, it was forged from the left overs of his fear stuff.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong (Only read Fear Itself once unlike other Thor events and I don't have scans on hand), but didn't the Serpent plan on destroying/burning the Earth and moving on through out the Nine Worlds over taking control of Asgard?
Yes, he needed to cause terror, fear, panic, hate to replenish his strength/regain his youth (Hence the Worthy) but once reaching a certain level of power, it didn't seem like he'd be depowered after wiping out a few humans etc. He's like a fear Vampire, he can feed to regain himself after being sealed for billions of years at the cost of his soul (A sacrifice for choosing the old ways of the Gods instead of moving on like Odin) but it didn't seem like he'd crumple after wiping out the stock. At least for so long that it wasn't ever brought up.
Killing the infected is to stop his power from spreading not to depower him, it's like a corrupt, growing cancer that can infect even through the collective subconscious psyche of everything. That's why Odin had to kill everything, burn his temples and retcon him from history. As a matter of fact, at no point was it even hinted that killing his followers would weaken his existing power as far as I recall. It would however cut him off from a replenishing supply that would only grow; a distinction worth noting.
Anyways, all open to interpretation cause of the vague circumstantial shit. Fraction kind of sucks.
It seems to me that the Serpent sorta created the fear stuff out of others fears (thoughts) so it should act like the crown.
However, thinking about it some more, you're right; it likely wouldn't have weakened the Serpent only prevented him from getting any more. Merely killing someone does not destroy the fear stuff rather they have to no longer exist. For example, we see Nightmare harvesting fear stuff from people and in the process kill them yet the fear continues to exist. In the case of Young Loki he sorta ceases to be so the crown becomes powerless.
As for the Serpent's final goal, I don't know. I didn't read Fear Itself and only read JiM.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Disagree if you want, I think the implications were quite clear that the Serpent is above Hell Lords. At least a good deal above someone like Mephisto who was presented as a peer to those assembled from what I remember.Fair enough I guess, but the way the scene was presented wasn't implying some sly take over. Once he'd amassed enough power, he'd come and beat up whoever stood in his way. And the throne of Satan from what I remember wasn't implied to boost your power, it's symbolic. Mephisto would have to keep all the other Hell Lords in line which like I said implies immense and overwhelming power.
Wasn't Odin already an old man (Way after the supposed merger) with his brothers nowhere to be seen by the time he beat the Serpent? If that origin even counts in Fraction's continuity which I seriously doubt it does. Odin's older brothers were his younger brothers, Bor's death not at Loki's hands etc. a bunch of stuff didn't fit into continuity. Fraction and Gillen tried to explain this with in story retcon explanations. Gods have stories not histories or something of that sort, emphasized by Loki literally retconning the Serpent's history for a weakness by using the Shadow of Twilight.
Really, it said Mephisto would destroy any who opposed him, however it's stupid to believe he could beat all of them at once. Plus he already had some at his side.
And some of the beings there really had no connection to hell, and were only there wondering about Odin killing all life and the Serpent, so I don't see it too hard to believe if we cut them out.
As well as Dormammu being trapped at the time (well, when the Serpent was around anyway), who is likely the mightiest of the real hell lords.
So Odin's brothers just died in the battle of canon fodder with nothing stated about them, you know, dying? They also merged during that battle, with you know, nothing stated on the matter.
Also, where was it stated that Odin had Ragnarok, which you implied earlier? His sword looked exactly the same as his brother's?
Why did it just become questioned when you're the one who brought up the comic as a supposed good feat for the Serpent?