Originally posted by ares834
Eh? Comics don't follow real world physics in that regard. Many characters such as Flash, Superman, and SS are able to move at speeds far faster than light.
The Flash's problem is explained, rather stupidly and immaturely, but The Speed Force.
Quicksilver does not have such an ability.
The statement about radio waves was either Hyperbole or was wrong. It seems much more likely that it was hyperbole than a statement of fact.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Since when was Edward hypersonic?
I did a scene by scene analysis of the first film.
There are two interpretations:
1. A few hours pass between the time Bella talks to Edward on the phone and Edward saves Bella at her old dance studio.
2. A few days pass but it so happens that the scene of Bella on the phone with Edward in the afternoon at the hotel, and the Dance Studio scene appearing to occur that same evening is mere coincidence.
Obviously, some say it was about 3 hours apart and the Twi-haters say it was several days, which were not shown and which were not montaged in anyway, apart.
When I did the scene by scene analysis, I took screenshots and included the time stamps of the movies so that there was no confusion at all. But, yes, the only way to explain why my screenshot by screenshot telling of events is not correct is by literally inventing the notion that it occurs a few days apart. Not sure how that flies since it was not seen onscreen.
The statement about radio waves was either Hyperbole or was wrong. It seems much more likely that it was hyperbole than a statement of fact.As much as I hate it, and it pisses in the face of reality, many comic book characters do move much faster than light. Supes has done it, Thor has done it, Silver Surfer, as already mentioned. You can't just ignore it due in large part because of how consistent it is. It could be called hyperbole had these characters not demonstrated such movement on panel, but they have demonstrated it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
When I did the scene by scene analysis, I took screenshots and included the time stamps of the movies so that there was no confusion at all. But, yes, the only way to explain why my screenshot by screenshot telling of events is not correct is by literally inventing the notion that it occurs a few days apart. Not sure how that flies since it was not seen onscreen.
The mountains in British Columbia are about 3,000 km from Phoenix. The max the vamps travelled would be under 1,000 km/h, Mach 0.817. From the book having Ed say on the phone that they were near Vancouver which is 2,450 km away, the speed would be 817 km/h or Mach 0.667. Neither gives even supersonic speed.
And its only in the movie as they all took a plane in the book.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Ed&co were heading back in the car when talking to Bella from "the mountains north of Washington", same area as James who has a smilar feat of going from the mountains to Phoenix in over 3 hours.The mountains in British Columbia are about 3,000 km from Phoenix. The max the vamps travelled would be under 1,000 km/h, Mach 0.817. From the book having Ed say on the phone that they were near Vancouver which is 2,450 km away, the speed would be 817 km/h or Mach 0.667. Neither gives even supersonic speed.
And its only in the movie as they all took a plane in the book.
Destroyed this argument already:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Settle down and stop trolling.I have the film, right here 🙂
1:32:57
Bella leaves with Alice and Jasper to DRIVE to Phoenix AZ.1:33:32
Bella is in Washington, still.1:33:33
They are now seen in Arizona.1:33:46
James is still in Washington.1:33:53
James figure out that they are tricking him and heads towards Bella.1:34:10
Bella is seen pulling up to the hotel and it's the same "daylight' as we saw before at 1:33:33 meaning, very little time has passed and that makes sense: the camera showed them on the highway at 1:33:33 and it zooms in to what appears to be a "location" and then it shows the hotel. So, I guess the camera is trying to show us that they drove that direction to the hotel.1:34:22
Alice sees James, still in Washington, Change direction, while at the hotel. Keep in mind that James is in Washington in this shot and Alice and co are in Phoenix, at the hotel.1:35:24
It's later in the day as the sun is almost directly overhead.1:35:27
Alice and Jasper are seen in the hotel lobby and Alice is telling Jasper when "checkout time" occurs: 11. That may be 11 PM. We don't know.1:35:34
Bella answers a call from her home. It's James. James had enough time to go through Bella's home videos and find one where her mother is speaking, put together a little trick, and call Bella and have it setup to trick her. Even if you assume that it took him a couple of hours to go through her stuff like that, it still makes his time to run from Washington to Phoenix very very fast: Edward is faster while carrying Bella.1:36:25
Jasper and Alice are seen checking in or out the Hotel at the front.1:36:37
Bella sneaks past Jasper and Alice at the front desk.1:36:50
Bella is seen arriving that the studio and it is no longer dusk: looks like the sun fully sets.It was estimated that about 10 minutes had passed from the time they first arrived at the hotel and the time we see Bella packing her stuff very shortly after having gotten off of the phone with Edward...who was calling to say that they lost James. So, however long it took Edward to run back home with his group, get in the car, and start driving, and then jump to the scene of Bella hurriedly packing her stuff due to Edward's disturbing call which said he was going to take her away, alone, with him.
Again, 10 minutes is the estimate.
Edward makes it to Bella, from Washington, in what appears to be a few hours. Most of which occurred in a car. We don't know at what point Edward ditched the car and ran to the studio, but he beats everyone to the studio. Just enough time passes between the Forks location and the Phoenix AZ location to make it change from in the morning (when he called) to the evening right after sunset (shortly after Bella got to the Studio.) The trip takes 26 hours, best route, to drive there. Let's say that Edward, just to be lenient to the naysayers, started driving towards Phoenix around 9 AM (wrong, because he called shortly after they lost track of him, but I'm being "nice". He might have left later, closer to noon, than 9 because James calls shortly thereafter when Bella is packing her stuff due to Edward's call. But, hey, I'm being really nice.) and gets there around 8PM (Sunset is around 7:00 in April, in AZ, which is around the time that Edward and Bella have their AZ adventure in the first film: it is the end of the school year.)
That's a 1522 mile trip in 11 hours. That's 138 mph, average speed, to get to the studio from his location, part of which was driven in a Jeep Liberty which has a top speed of 113, best case scenario. In other words, along the lines, somewhere, they got out and ran to make up the difference. We can speculate what that time was, but it had to have occurred some point after Bella left the hotel and Jasper and Alice noticed. Even at a top speed, and still assuming 9 AM as the depart time, that has Bella leaving the hotel at sunset which is around 7 PM. Total miles traveled by 7 PM at the top speed of 113 MPH: 1130 Miles. We know that number to be wrong, because, as fact, they were driving around 45 when Edward called her from the road. Still, I have to humor the worst speed scenario for you guys because you will definitely want to gimp Edward as much as possible because of your twihate. Total miles traveled at top speed in 10 hours: 1130 miles. So, Edward has to make his trip to the studio in an hour because, again, Bella snuck out and was not noticed until "later" between the hour it looks like it takes between the hotel and the studio. This, again, is assuming the absolute slowest scenario for Edward because it is far more likely that Alice and Jasper do not notice her missing until they are done at the front desk.
So, how many miles left (which is just to Phoenix. I'm not taking into account how long Edward has to travel from the hotel to the Studio. Or from his current location on his trip straight to the studio: we just don't know, so I'll gimp in favor of a slow Edward): 392 miles left.
So, in an hour, Edward makes it from his current location on his ultra unrealistic speed to the studio at 392 mph. This assumes he doesn't stop by the hotel, drove 113 MPH the whole time (impossible), and got a call on his cell from Jasper and Alice once they realized he was gone.
Let's go with something that is more in-tune with the film: Edward does not drive 113 miles per hour, straight to the Studio in Phoenix. He would have driven, on average, around 45 MPH (80, highway, which accounts for about 1100 miles on the interstate. Stopping to get gas, driving through over a dozen cities, etc.)
Add that into the equation and we get what?: 450 miles driven. Let's be generous to the 450 miles being driven because of the large amount of highway they could have driven on. 1522-450 = 1072
So, a more realistic scenario (but still greatly gimps Edward's speed) has Edward running at 1072 Mph. But, it's still not taking into account that Edward had to be called sometime after Bella left, then redirected towards the studio, of which, he had no clue where it was. We can only assume that it was looked up on the internets (or a map) and then given to him.
From the time Bella walks into the studio to the time that Edward comes crashing in on James' parade, this is a "sequence" with no time skips. So Edward gets to her location from somewhere between Washington, Phoenix, and the hotel. We don't know where he came from.
James indicates that Edward beat the others there because he's faster than the others, implying that he Ran there (obviously.)
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1:40:48
The rest of the gang gets there.I amend my previous answer to "at least 1072 Mph, but most likely much greater due to several events that must occur before Edward would know where to go."
Since we know Edward is faster than James, and they most likely lead James around the woods for a few hours, it's far more likely that James made his trip sometime between 11 and 12 and got to Phoenix in about 10 minutes. He had to have time to search through Bella's crap in order to setup his scenario *(see below). That leaves almost no time, at all, for him to have done anything except run there before noonish. Since we know Edward is faster, on foot, while carrying Bella, Edward Obviously could have easily made the same trip.
Knowing that, we can logically say that Edward made his foot trip sometime right before 8 PM or right after 8PM. There's no way that Edward could not make the same trip like James because he is supposedly faster than James while carrying Bella.
But, for he sake of gimping to appease the haters, we can stick with 1072.
Holy shit, Batman, a realistic worst case estimate is 1072 mph. It makes some assumptions that are a bit too conservative.
1,072mph seems fair. The gimps of if he went to the hotel first isn't going to add much, and can be countered with Jas/Alice and the location of the studio. It wouldn't have taken them long at the desk and with her ability she could have noticed something was up the moment Bella got in the cab. On the other hand assuming Bella got to the studio during the sunset period instead of some time after goes slightly in Ed's favour, as does using some average 45mph when they would have been driving fast. In the book Bella even says Jasper was speeding over the limit.
Still, about Mach 1.4.
And where does the 10 mins come from? James started running south some time before Ed&co got to the car. If it took 10 mins from turning back to calling her it'd be noon by the time Bella escaped, which isn't the case. Don't you think if Ed was able to cross the US in 10 mins and knowing that James was turning back that he'd be at the hotel moments after James called?
Originally posted by BloodRain
1,072mph seems fair. The gimps of if he went to the hotel first isn't going to add much, and can be countered with Jas/Alice and the location of the studio. It wouldn't have taken them long at the desk and with her ability she could have noticed something was up the moment Bella got in the cab. On the other hand assuming Bella got to the studio during the sunset period instead of some time after goes slightly in Ed's favour, as does using some average 45mph when they would have been driving fast. In the book Bella even says Jasper was speeding over the limit.
Still, about Mach 1.4.
A very reasonable, intelligent, and thought out post. I cannot argue against anything in this post. I think 1072 is fair: it could be more, it could be less.
Originally posted by BloodRain
And where does the 10 mins come from? James started running south some time before Ed&co got to the car. If it took 10 mins from turning back to calling her it'd be noon by the time Bella escaped, which isn't the case. Don't you think if Ed was able to cross the US in 10 mins and knowing that James was turning back that he'd be at the hotel moments after James called?
Honestly, I am having a hard time remembering where that came from. I think one of the opposers to "faster vampires" was arguing about a 10 minute thing. It was used as an example. Just ignore that.
I am going to do something else: there are several speed feats in the last film that show a much clearer distance of them running. I will be able to do speed feats for them from that film and having something more concrete (like I did with the trash-compactor scene from Star Wars: A New Hope. I believe I came up with something around 60 mph for that trash compactor blaster bolt...and another poster on anther site came up with 100-300 mph for Jango Fett's pistol's blaster bolts, showing that not all blasters are created equal). Once I do a frame by frame and estimate the distances, I can post some actual speed feats with screenshots so we can get more legit measures.
We can post up a feats thread in this forum or the MvF, later. I think that would make it easier to deal with all these feats and I would have to stop repeating myself so much.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh you nerdy gamers. Hard to put one over on you outcasts of society.
You have a boner for a guy that lacks a nose bone. Your argument is invalid.
Oh and yeah this thread....
Dun care. DDM clearly designed it to be spite because right after making the thread his very next post was talking about why it was spite. Whether it truly is or not(and for which side) is an argument I don't feel like getting into because the intent of this thread bores me.
Originally posted by AuraAngelHe used to have a nose and is the most dominant movie wizard ever. Treat him with the respect he has earned.
You have a boner for a guy that lacks a nose bone. Your argument is invalid.Oh and yeah this thread....
Dun care. DDM clearly designed it to be spite because right after making the thread his very next post was talking about why it was spite. Whether it truly is or not(and for which side) is an argument I don't feel like getting into because the intent of this thread bores me.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Oh and yeah this thread....Dun care. DDM clearly designed it to be spite because right after making the thread his very next post was talking about why it was spite. Whether it truly is or not(and for which side) is an argument I don't feel like getting into because the intent of this thread bores me.
Make sure you represent facts properly:
Originally posted by dadudemon
This thread is a spite thread but it will never reach the spite thread levels because of the rabid Avenger's fanboyism.
It was made to show, that despite the fact it is a super stomp in favor of the Twivamps, the Avenger fanboyism is so absurd that it ends up not being spite because of how much support the Avengers get in these types of threads.