I'd say WW in both.
Slugfest, well, she's got the edge.
Full fight, she can protect against telepathy, and the lasso can grab intangeable, and she gains multiple attacks over just a slugfest.
The biggest reason I'd say, though, is endurance. J'onn gets tired out easier and often when he does use all of his powers rapidly, he's exhausted afterwards (not all the time, but often). He's a strong character but he'll run out of juice against WW, who's got a deeper tank and healing factor that he doesn't.
Originally posted by Q99
I'd say WW in both.Slugfest, well, she's got the edge.
Full fight, she can protect against telepathy, and the lasso can grab intangeable, and she gains multiple attacks over just a slugfest.
The biggest reason I'd say, though, is endurance. J'onn gets tired out easier and often when he does use all of his powers rapidly, he's exhausted afterwards (not all the time, but often). He's a strong character but he'll run out of juice against WW, who's got a deeper tank and healing factor that he doesn't.
Originally posted by abhilegend
lolwut? When did j'onn get exhausted after using his powers?
JLA: A Midsummer's Nightmare comes to mind, where he almost collapses from overuse.
And ever notice how most of the time he uses a bunch of powers in a row, it's only for a short time, and the longer the fight the more likely he starts not-using some of his powers?
Are you serious with healing factor? Diana doesn't have a HF outside gaining sustenance from earth under byrne.
Her wounds a GL inflicted on her in Simone's run went from looking very significant and visible (big bleeding cuts, bruising, etc.) to, a few pages later (during which little time passed but she did headbutt a spacecraft), barely scratches remaining and she's helping the GL walk.
Against Superman in Sacrifice, she went from significantly injured to able to fight multiple Alpha-level OMACs (the ones meant to take on people like her and Superman, the really strong ones) at full capacity a short time later.
Manhunter's HF puts wolverine's HF to shame when its been used.
His healing is consciously using his powers, though. It replaces what's lost, it doesn't return his stamina.
Anyway, endurance wise in general, I rate her higher. Practically all the fights in the Rise of the Olympian story were in the same day, meaning she, starting out, lost to Genocide and was significantly injured, then fought Genocide again, then fought Cheetah, then Achilles, then finally Genocide again. Then she fought some sea monsters.
Except against Achilles, she was injured in each battle, yet by the last one she was fighting essentially at full.
5 herald battles in one day. Call it endurance or healing factor, it's a lot.
Originally posted by Q99Not by overuse, it was from vicinity of fire.
JLA: A Midsummer's Nightmare comes to mind, where he almost collapses from overuse.
And ever notice how most of the time he uses a bunch of powers in a row, it's only for a short time, and the longer the fight the more likely he starts not-using some of his powers?CIS. J'onn has fought for days using almost everyone of his powers against Parademons.
Her wounds a GL inflicted on her in Simone's run went from looking very significant and visible (big bleeding cuts, bruising, etc.) to, a few pages later (during which little time passed but she did headbutt a spacecraft), barely scratches remaining and she's helping the GL walk.Not a HF, artist simply forgot to paint her in blood. Happens almost every times a character without a HF is injured severaly.
Against Superman in Sacrifice, she went from significantly injured to able to fight multiple Alpha-level OMACs (the ones meant to take on people like her and Superman, the really strong ones) at full capacity a short time later.Not HF. Heck, a graze on her cheek was present for the whole fight and beyond where superman HV'd her. 😂 @ alpha level OMACs. At that time they were little else than random fodders.
His healing is consciously using his powers, though.No, it isn't. Its a natural trait of all martians from Ostrander's run.
It replaces what's lost, it doesn't return his stamina.Who's talking about stamina? Its about his HF. People with HF don't nearly die from a sword to the gut or bleed out from gun shots.
Anyway, endurance wise in general, I rate her higher.Of course you would.
Practically all the fights in the Rise of the Olympian story were in the same day, meaning she, starting out, lost to Genocide and was significantly injured, then fought Genocide again, then fought Cheetah, then Achilles, then finally Genocide again.She was healed by purple ray in between while she was nearly killed IIRC and even after that had gauntlet of atlas to increase her strength and endurance.
Then she fought some sea monsters.Great improvement from WW 162 where she was KTFO by a random sea monster, I believe.
Except against Achilles, she was injured in each battle, yet by the last one she was fighting essentially at full.J'onn has several such moments.
5 herald battles in one day. Call it endurance or healing factor, it's a lot.I call it "lying through your teeth". Suits you.
Originally posted by h1a8
MM can't beat WW in a slugfest, that's just crazy
With powers WW has the lasso for the instant win,
Without the lasso she still beats him though.
He can amp with the Earth, and she won't get her bracelets if its just punching.
Lasso's nice..until he phases out of it, like a White Martian does:
Or shapeshifts out of it:
Incidentally, earlier in that second scan, he had already knocked out WW.
Context: That's J'onn, with a sliver of Malefa'ak (sp?) within his mind.
Not a HF, artist simply forgot to paint her in blood. Happens almost every times a character without a HF is injured severaly.
The artist 'accidentally' drew a gradual fading?
She was healed by purple ray in between while she was nearly killed IIRC and even after that had gauntlet of atlas to increase her strength and endurance.
Hm, she used purple ray? Maybe after the first, but *not* between the 2nd Geno fight, the Cheetah fight, the Achilles fight, and the third Geno fight.
And no, she never used the gauntlet. It didn't show up during Gail's run.
I call it "lying through your teeth". Suits you.
Call it what you want, doesn't change what happened.
WW's still got very significant endurance.
Oh yea, and we know who Batman thinks would win:
(Note who else is in the room when he says it)
Originally posted by Q99What's your point here exactly? That wasn't a HF showing for diana and she never had one to begin with.
The artist 'accidentally' drew a gradual fading?
Hm, she used purple ray? Maybe after the first, but *not* between the 2nd Geno fight, the Cheetah fight, the Achilles fight, and the third Geno fight.Now when I re-read that arc, she didn't use it at all but relied on gauntlets to increase her endurance. Genocide phucked her so badly in the first fight that while wearing gauntlets, she was having troubles with cheetah and said that she could barely feel her legs in the same fight two issues later.
And no, she never used the gauntlet. It didn't show up during Gail's run.Look closer
Call it what you want, doesn't change what happened.
WW's still got very significant endurance.Didn't help against white martians.
Oh yea, and we know who Batman thinks would win:(Note who else is in the room when he says it)
