Lol. Another explanation is simply that Batman is wrong - he could be having an off day! I just wanted that out there to show just because Batman thinks it so, does not make it true.
Abhi has already brought it up, but there are tons of statements saying MM is the most dangerous member etc etc of the JLA.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Another explanation is simply that Batman is wrong - he could be having an off day! I just wanted that out there to show just because Batman thinks it so, does not make it true.Abhi has already brought it up, but there are tons of statements saying MM is the most dangerous member etc etc of the JLA.
He had the flu and hadn't had his tylenol.
Prior statement that J'onn collapsing in A Midsummer's Nightmare due to fire- False.
There were some fires, at a distance, but he was fighting just fine. Then he got pissed at his opponents, took them out with telepathy, collapsed, Aquaman says, "Easy J'onn, that stunt took a lot out of you," and then he regains his footing and recovers, without moving or anything.
Just use of his powers did the job.
Abh
What's your point here exactly? That wasn't a HF showing for diana and she never had one to begin with.
So... serious wounds just 'happen' to gradually fade to nothing over short periods of times? And not just vanish between pages, but do so gradually.
Or, seriously wounded against Superman, a bit of time is all she needs to be back at full and fight high-level enemies the same day?
Heck, if that's not fast healing, that speaks to her shrugging off some pretty crazy damage! It's good feats either way.
What is with WW fans and random statements? I can show you j'onn restraining diana and orion simultaneously. Also at least 5 people claiming that he is more powerful than superman. What are these statements supposed to prove?
What are the statements where characters outright, in-universe, compare these two characters supposed to prove?
I like that you act indignant about the fact that in-universe statements are being used.
Anyway, they're just thrown in support of fight performance, where Diana generally shows more endurance (taking lots of damage and keeping going is something of a thing for her... and, no offense to J'onn, but he gets worfed a lot). And where Superman generally does better than either of them.
Btw, I fully believe J'onn can become as or more powerful than Superman... for a short time. Using all of his powers at once, going 'afterburner' on his endurance, in short, allows him to outperform anyone in the League. He just never does that in a long fight, and using his powers does use up endurance more than simple punching or such does for the others, so he'll tire himself out.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, a biased writer wanting to get back at fanboys overrules evidence.Not. 😛
See, this just seems like lazy arguing. No actual evidence that it's fanboyish, but since it says something good about a character, it *must* be so!
It even fits with WWs and Supes fights, where WW tends to avoid more blows and score more hits, but Superman hits harder and has advantages like heat vision and better flight skills ... it's not a statement that she's overall more powerful or anything, just how they compare in a specific area.
Anyway! This isn't about WW vs Superman, but WW vs MM. Martian Manhunter is a step down from Superman.
DarkSaint85Abhi has already brought it up, but there are tons of statements saying MM is the most dangerous member etc etc of the JLA.
Quite frankly, there's statements saying almost any member of the JLA is potentially the most dangerous. Including, repeatedly, Plastic Man.
But if, say, Superman is on a rampage, who do they send to stop him? Wonder Woman. Or Captain Marvel. Not J'onn.
If they're afraid that Wonder Woman is controlled, who do they send against her? Superman. Even if J'onn is in the room, he doesn't object to the statement that only Superman can do so.
Originally posted by Q99But if, say, Superman is on a rampage, who do they send to stop him? Wonder Woman. Or Captain Marvel. Not J'onn.
Well, yeah, sending a guy who's weak against fire....against a guy who has HV is kinda stupid lol.
If they're afraid that Wonder Woman is controlled, who do they send against her? Superman. Even if J'onn is in the room, he doesn't object to the statement that only Superman can do so.
Yeah, but then, I put it down to J'onn never being used, as its better to see a WW/Superman fight. I mean, with that argument, who is J'onn sent to take down?
Look at what happened when J'onn cuts loose, as Fernus.
Originally posted by Q99
See, this just seems like lazy arguing. No actual evidence that it's fanboyish, but since it says something good about a character, it *must* be so!It even fits with WWs and Supes fights, where WW tends to avoid more blows and score more hits, but Superman hits harder and has advantages like heat vision and better flight skills ... it's not a statement that she's overall more powerful or anything, just how they compare in a specific area.
Anyway! This isn't about WW vs Superman, but WW vs MM. Martian Manhunter is a step down from Superman.
You believing that it's lazy, or that it fits with the fights, doesn't make it so, tbh. That, and I disagree, but you knew that.
Especially seeing as McDuffie was seen arguing the point on message boards, and, admitted that he's nerfed Superman when writing him.
To call a spade a spade, some WW fans desperately try to defend McDuffie, because it's one of the few instances where Diana is given preference over Superman.
"But that's how Superman should be portrayed" they say.
My arse.
Originally posted by Q99Which scene was this? I'm sure I haven't seen this when I read that story. Anyway that reeks of PIS. I would post scans tonight.
Prior statement that J'onn collapsing in A Midsummer's Nightmare due to fire- False.There were some fires, at a distance, but he was fighting just fine. Then he got pissed at his opponents, took them out with telepathy, collapsed, Aquaman says, "Easy J'onn, that stunt took a lot out of you," and then he regains his footing and recovers, without moving or anything.
Just use of his powers did the job.
So... serious wounds just 'happen' to gradually fade to nothing over short periods of times? And not just vanish between pages, but do so gradually.Nice deflections, but diana don't have a HF. End of story.Or, seriously wounded against Superman, a bit of time is all she needs to be back at full and fight high-level enemies the same day?
Heck, if that's not fast healing, that speaks to her shrugging off some pretty crazy damage! It's good feats either way.
What are the statements where characters outright, in-universe, compare these two characters supposed to prove?Nothing.
I like that you act indignant about the fact that in-universe statements are being used.Indignant? More like laughing.
Anyway, they're just thrown in support of fight performance, where Diana generally shows more endurance (taking lots of damage and keeping going is something of a thing for her... and, no offense to J'onn, but he gets worfed a lot).Name one fight where diana benefitted from her endurance more than j'onn against a common enemy.
And where Superman generally does better than either of them.He's superman.
Btw, I fully believe J'onn can become as or more powerful than Superman... for a short time. Using all of his powers at once, going 'afterburner' on his endurance, in short, allows him to outperform anyone in the League. He just never does that in a long fight, and using his powers does use up endurance more than simple punching or such does for the others, so he'll tire himself out.Totally false on all accounts.
See, this just seems like lazy arguing. No actual evidence that it's fanboyish, but since it says something good about a character, it *must* be so!This never ceases to amuse me.It even fits with WWs and Supes fights, where WW tends to avoid more blows and score more hits, but Superman hits harder and has advantages like heat vision and better flight skills ... it's not a statement that she's overall more powerful or anything, just how they compare in a specific area.
Anyway! This isn't about WW vs Superman, but WW vs MM. Martian Manhunter is a step down from Superman.So? Diana is too.
Quite frankly, there's statements saying almost any member of the JLA is potentially the most dangerous. Including, repeatedly, Plastic Man.Not as much as j'onn.
But if, say, Superman is on a rampage, who do they send to stop him? Wonder Woman. Or Captain Marvel. Not J'onn.Restraining=/=beating. J'onn was said to be the most powerful being in JLA by the same writer in WW.If they're afraid that Wonder Woman is controlled, who do they send against her? Superman. Even if J'onn is in the room, he doesn't object to the statement that only Superman can do so.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You believing that it's lazy, or that it fits with the fights, doesn't make it so, tbh. That, and I disagree, but you knew that.Especially seeing as McDuffie was seen arguing the point on message boards, and, admitted that he's nerfed Superman when writing him.
To be fair, just because you disagree with the writer doesn't make it so either. He went out of his way to write this twice. That is the reality in his stories, whether you like it or not. Both arguments are moot now though given the reboot.
As for this match up, I think it's a toss up. If the lasso really can grab J'onn while he is intangible then I give it to Diana.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
To be fair, just because you disagree with the writer doesn't make it so either. He went out of his way to write this twice. That is the reality in his stories, whether you like it or not. Both arguments are moot now though given the reboot.As for this match up, I think it's a toss up. If the lasso really can grab J'onn while he is intangible then I give it to Diana.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The logic behind their reasoning for Diana's superiority is sound, but doesn't make much sense when placed against Superman's higher end feats.
Even without the higher end feats, his logic is that Superman has straight line speed, and Diana has reflex speed, which is flawed given how Supermans speed extends beyond moving in a straight line.
If Batman was comparing Green Lantern to Wonder Woman, than he'd have a point, given that it was admitted Kyle Rayner was their fastest flier in Circle of Fire..