Originally posted by Sith Master X
I would be very surprised if Carrie has anything to do with it. She's stated over and over again that "Star Wars ruined my life."Maybe she's found a way to cope with it, or doesn't care anymore. That is of course, if she is even being considered for the film.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
So long as he fights his corner- the idea is not just to throw away his vision.
Yes, this. I think Disney knows that, too.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
yeah i agree there. my initial reaction was "GOOD!! KEEP GL AWAY FROM IT!" but upon more level-headed reflection...
It is posts like these that make me think the ST will have a good chance of making new fans like ourselves, out of our children.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
Details? I never followed all the SW back story and I had no idea that she hated what came of the series so much.
I wish I had a source for you on this, and in all honestly, I could actually be way off.
But I'm quite certain at one point or another, on TV I believe, she mentioned how overwhelming the whole SW phenomenon became, and that it was a struggle for her to deal with all of it. I think she actually talks about this in one of her books.
I don't think she has a grudge with it or anything like that, or that she hates it, just that it was some sort of mental exhaustion thing.
Possibly. It does make you wonder, if Lucas had lunch with them, what that was all about. Maybe to prepare them for the onslaught of questions...or to find out if they would agree to be involved.
Exciting times. It could be a while until we find out anything, but it does have me pretty hyped up. If they all come back, I'd be excited for the nostalgia. If not, then we won't have to worry about their roles being mishandled.
Originally posted by Sith Master X
Possibly. It does make you wonder, if Lucas had lunch with them, what that was all about. Maybe to prepare them for the onslaught of questions...or to find out if they would agree to be involved.Exciting times. It could be a while until we find out anything, but it does have me pretty hyped up. If they all come back, I'd be excited for the nostalgia. If not, then we won't have to worry about their roles being mishandled.
Tru Dat!
I know how I feel though, and that is well...happy.
Though it still hasn't hit me yet, and probably won't until late next year, early 2014. We're still a long way from release date...even though I know the next 3 years are going to fly by faster than we know it. But the closer we get to 2015, the more excited I will be.
As for the new trilogy, I want it to feel like the OT movies...but more modern of course. I think that's basically all everyone wants...to put the story ahead of the special effects. I think they will deliver in that area. It needs to feel like the Star Wars everyone fell in love with. As much as the PT entertained me, I want something that either feels different, or more like the originals.
I want them to do something in the style of the OT, but with a much darker tone....if that makes sense.
Originally posted by Sith Master X
I want them to do something in the style of the OT, but with a much darker tone....if that makes sense.
That will be hard to do in a happy-times-rebuilding-the-republic-and-jedi-order setting.
Yuuzhan Vong War?
A Darth Nihilus type?
It will be difficult to make something dark. I think RotS was as dark as it gets for a Star Wars film.
They said Sequel so we will not get the Mandalorian Wars.
as for me...
the adult is saying that this is about as predictable as shooting craps, so while the odds are stacked well against us and it may be a steaming pile, we may get lucky. either way, cooler heads will prevail.
the kid is screaming "hey let me out of this closet mister! why are you doing this? i want my mommy! somebody help!"
I don't think darker is what I want at all. Even though technically the prequels were generally as bright and crisp as you could ask for they were ultimately lacking energy and overall fun. I feel like the past eight years of super brooding ultra-realistic Batman movies, all commentary on a terrible recession and the escalation of crime and technology, has given me all the "dark and realistic" I'll need for awhile, and as the economy is starting to kick with life again and people are starting to see a brighter future for the world, I seriously think we need a fat dose of hope, dreams, imagination and most importantly FUN with these new Disney Star Wars films, much like the tone of A New Hope, and I think that's what we're going to get honestly. They need to retain that battered and beaten scifi look of the OT and gradually make it look better through the episodes if they're going to go for that whole "20 years later rebuilding the republic" idea.
That is very well said actually.
I definitely want them to be fun, and want episode 9 to end on a very happy and hopeful note, no doubt about it.
I'm not looking for doom and gloom by any means. Episode 7 should be full of fun and energy, but with an overall tone that really sets up the next 2 films, and I generally enjoy sci-fi a bit more when the tone is overall dark instead of bright and happy.
I know VII can't be too dark, because they have to follow up with another 2 movies afterward, while leaving room for the story-arc to evolve. I just don't want it as bright and colorful as the PT. I was dazzled by the visual effects though, make no mistake. To me, the PT was a wonderful visual story.
If they follow a pre-planned trilogy model they'll have to end the first two films with a "problem" (to oversimplify it) in order to lead in to the next film. The Prequels messed that part up by ending Phantom Menace on an upbeat, "everything's actually pretty sweet" note, and then skipping ahead 10 years. They set up problems off-screen, between films, and it sucked. I don't want this new trilogy to be Nolan dark, but I don't want it to be all upbeat and cheerful either. If they can't create a convincing threatening atmosphere, the films will fall flat--kinda like what happened with the Prequels and the Clone Wars show.
I know I definitely want them to be done with the Sith. Take at least one lesson from the bloated and overblown EU---the Sith are overused. Think of something different. The one EU storyline I can think of that would be at least somewhat decent would be an invasion-style, Yuuzhan Vong-esque plot. Not the actual NJO plotline, but similar to it. It allows for more exploration of the galaxy on-screen, and gives the people and Jedi of the post-Empire Republic a big enough challenge to face to merit three films.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If they follow a pre-planned trilogy model they'll have to end the first two films with a "problem" (to oversimplify it) in order to lead in to the next film. The Prequels messed that part up by ending Phantom Menace on an upbeat, "everything's actually pretty sweet" note, and then skipping ahead 10 years.
You could replace "Phantom Menace" with "A New Hope" and some people wouldn't know the wiser. Mark aged 5-10 years between ANH and ESB....and they were all happy and celebratory at the end of that film, too because they blew up the trade federatio...I mean Death Star at the end.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
They set up problems off-screen, between films, and it sucked.
Sounds like you're talking about the transition between ANH and ESB. Or are you referring to TPM to AotC?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I don't want this new trilogy to be Nolan dark, but I don't want it to be all upbeat and cheerful either. If they can't create a convincing threatening atmosphere, the films will fall flat--kinda like what happened with the Prequels and the Clone Wars show.
How about Aronofsky dark?
Originally posted by dadudemonThe OT didn't start out as a trilogy from the get-go. Lucas himself thought his film would flop and didn't plan during production for there to be a second and third installment. And it was 3 years between films in-universe. And stuff like Mark Hamill getting in a car accident and f*cking up his face is something forgivable. I don't begrudge Nolan for not recasting the Joker in TDKR nor Lucas for not recasting a newer, prettier Luke.
You could replace "Phantom Menace" with "A New Hope" and some people wouldn't know the wiser. Mark aged 5-10 years between ANH and ESB....and they were all happy and celebratory at the end of that film, too because they blew up the trade federatio...I mean Death Star at the end.
Originally posted by dadudemonTPM-AotC. One of the myriad of problems with the PT was that huge time jump. All of Anakin's training, the rise of the Separatists, Dooku's fall to the Dark Side... all of those core elements took place off screen between films. The ANH-ESB jump had less problems. The only one I can think of is why Obi-Wan took three years to contact Luke about going to Yoda, which is more a problem with why something didn't happen than it is with something that did, but we never get to see it.
Sounds like you're talking about the transition between ANH and ESB. Or are you referring to TPM to AotC?
Originally posted by dadudemonBlack Swan is overrated and I haven't seen Requiem or The Fighter. So... Iunno.
How about Aronofsky dark?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Lucas himself thought his film would flop and didn't plan during production for there to be a second and third installment.
How can that be true when Lucas talk to Hamill, on set, about future movies? Or am I mistaken? I thought "Saga 1" was a dead give away that it wasn't intended as a one-off. I mean, why did he get with Alan Dean Foster to write two novels that would be made into screenplays (IF Star Wars was successful) if he didn't plan on a second and third installment?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And it was 3 years between films in-universe. And stuff like Mark Hamill getting in a car accident and f*cking up his face is something forgivable.
Just not seeing that as being an legitimate excuse (seriously). He just aged 5-10 years. It happens to some people around that age. He didn't look old. That's not what I'm saying. But it looked like he aged from 17-sh to 23-27ish. He looked great. I thought it was supposed to be a 5-10 year gap as a kid, really. The same thing happens from ESB to RotJ, imo. He now looks 30s instead of late teens like in ANH. Part of me believes that was intentional to show a wising Luke?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
TPM-AotC.
I know.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
One of the myriad of problems with the PT was that huge time jump. All of Anakin's training, the rise of the Separatists, Dooku's fall to the Dark Side... all of those core elements took place off screen between films.
None of them were necessary, imo. Nor were the ones I am about to "introduce" necessary:
"One of the myriad of problems with the OT was that huge time jump between ANH and ESB. The unexplained telekinesis Luke used in the cave, the hoth rebel base coming out of nowhere, the rise of the empire after a massive defeat, why was Han Solo (and chewie) at the Hoth base, what strategic advantage did it hold, what happened to the empire after ANH and why are they still around, where Obi Wan's ghost was after the trench run... all of those core elements took place off screen between films. "
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The ANH-ESB jump had less problems.
I counted more.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The only one I can think of is why Obi-Wan took three years to contact Luke about going to Yoda, which is more a problem with why something didn't happen than it is with something that did, but we never get to see it.
I almost forgot that one. Where was he, though? Catching up with old friends?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Black Swan is overrated and I haven't seen Requiem or The Fighter. So... Iunno.
The point was, you can go darker if you want to. Dark City dark if you want. I don't think the series needs that.
I was thinking that The Hutts would be a good choice for bad guys. I mean, if you watch the films, they are afforded a lot of respect and room to maneuver by not only the New Republic but by The Empire as well. Perhaps they could try some sort of galactic coup as the New Republic is establishing itself.