Disney acquires Lucasfilm; Episode VII proposed for 2015

Originally posted by dadudemon
How can that be true when Lucas talk to Hamill, on set, about future movies? Or am I mistaken? I thought "Saga 1" was a dead give away that it wasn't intended as a one-off. I mean, why did he get with Alan Dean Foster to write two novels that would be made into screenplays (IF Star Wars was successful) if he didn't plan on a second and third installment?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Just not seeing that as being an legitimate excuse (seriously). He just aged 5-10 years. It happens to some people around that age. He didn't look old. That's not what I'm saying. But it looked like he aged from 17-sh to 23-27ish. He looked great. I thought it was supposed to be a 5-10 year gap as a kid, really. The same thing happens from ESB to RotJ, imo. He now looks 30s instead of late teens like in ANH. Part of me believes that was intentional to show a wising Luke?

Originally posted by dadudemon
None of them were necessary, imo. Nor were the ones I am about to "introduce" necessary:

"One of the myriad of problems with the OT was that huge time jump between ANH and ESB. The unexplained telekinesis Luke used in the cave, the hoth rebel base coming out of nowhere, the rise of the empire after a massive defeat, why was Han Solo (and chewie) at the Hoth base, what strategic advantage did it hold, what happened to the empire after ANH and why are they still around, where Obi Wan's ghost was after the trench run... all of those core elements took place off screen between films. "

But all of those are plot points, not the plot itself. The driving plot of ESB/RotJ was: Rebels vs. Empire, Luke vs. Vader. The first was established in the opening minutes of ANH, and the second was a plotline that developed during ESB/RotJ.

The driving plot of AotC/RotS was: the Clone Wars, and Anakin's fall. The first was established between films, and the second is never shown on-screen. The galactic conflict of the OT was set up from the get-go, which is fine. The galactic conflict of the PT was set up between films, and only escalated during the second. Phantom Menace's existence really f*cks things up this way. It shows us no galactic problems that would lead to a Separatist movement, and it shows us nothing of the man (Dooku)--a fallen Jedi, and one of TPM's central character's mentor no less--who would lead it. As for Anakin's "fall"--he went from overly goody-goody and sweet in TPM, to an evil, brooding psychopath in AotC. That's a development we need to see, but never did. What happened to the galaxy and Anakin in that missing decade?

See where I'm going?

OT: establishes galactic conflict in the literal first minute of the first film, and established personal conflict in the second film.

PT: established galactic conflict between first and second film, and established personality shift and conflict between first and second film. Not during. Between.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The point was, you can go darker if you want to. Dark City dark if you want. I don't think the series needs that.

GL had the idea it would be a trilogy, but that's not the same as knowing he would actually get the green light to do it.

That's why Alan Dean Foster wrote Splinter of the Mind's Eye, as a sequel to Star Wars, bascially on the idea that that would be all there was. But then Star Wars was a huge hit and GL went ahead with his films, and Splinter became a massive continuity anomaly that got the first ever de-canonising treatment.

I've never read Splinter. Wasn't it removed from canon at some point?

Yes, almost immediately.

The new trilogy will almost certainly need to be heavily tied to the previous 6 for it to be a legitimate part of Star Wars. Personally, i don't think there's a strong enough reason to continue the franchise, but obviously Disney thinks otherwise. Time will surely tell.

Originally posted by Stun
Personally, i don't think there's a strong enough reason to continue the franchise, but obviously Disney thinks otherwise. Time will surely tell.

Millions of fans isn't a strong enough reason?

Originally posted by Robtard
Millions of fans isn't a strong enough reason?

Originally posted by Robtard
Millions of fans isn't a strong enough reason?

"aren't" 🙂

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Oh no, these aren't melodramas, they're space adventures. RotS was dark and brutal enough for the whole series, we don't need any more of that.

I must be the only one that thought ROTS wasn't as dark as it was advertised to be. Loved the movie, just didn't think it was overly grim like they all boasted about....other than the scene where Vader was being reconstructed.

Like I said, I want the newer movies to be fun and full of energy. Not doom and gloom, but not bright and cheery either. There has to be conflict, and a sense of danger and urgency. These newer movies can be fun and imaginative, while capturing a tone that really keeps you on the edge of your seat all together.

A perfect example of what I'm getting at, and you all may find this to be a lousy example...but, The Force Unleashed...the original game. The cut scenes were amazing, the characters had chemistry, plenty of energy, and it was just dark enough to keep the suspense high without being so grim that you felt depressed. All I could think of the entire time, was what an awesome adaption this would have been on the big screen.

but...but the prequels were practically perfect in every way

so anyway mark hamil hinted in 1983 that GL planned to have him come back, yet "not on this plane of reality" or "not the same person". this interests nobody but me? really?

Originally posted by Robtard
Millions of fans isn't a strong enough reason?

You mean millions of dollar signs? Artistically, there's no need. Financially, ofcourse. It's not going to end well...

This may come as a huge shock, but I never said the PT was perfect, nor do I think that they are. Just that some of the criticisms are a tad over the top....such as "GL rage quits Hollywood."

I'm not going to lose my cool over it anymore though. I'm putting my little tirade about it behind me and moving on. I was asked not to derail threads, and was trying my best to honor that.

Originally posted by Sith Master X
This may come as a huge shock, but I never said the PT was perfect, nor do I think that they are. Just that some of the criticisms are a tad over the top....such as "GL rage quits Hollywood."

I'm not going to lose my cool over it anymore though. I'm putting my little tirade about it behind me and moving on. I was asked not to derail threads, and was trying my best to honor that.

please, dont drop your lightsaber and walk off into the twin sunset weeping, i was just having a playful jab.

so yeah, wtf was up with what mark hamil said? your thoughts and hypotheses?

Originally posted by Sith Master X
I must be the only one that thought ROTS wasn't as dark as it was advertised to be. Loved the movie, just didn't think it was overly grim like they all boasted about....other than the scene where Vader was being reconstructed.

Originally posted by Sith Master X
The Force Unleashed... the characters had chemistry

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Except for forced amputations, brutal decapitation/cold blooded execution, child murdering, immolation, mass slaughter, horrific disfigurement, and the victory of evil.

...no rape?

:edit: oh and it can be easily argued that the killing of the younglings was a state-ordered execution, not murder. *smug self-satisfied grin*

Originally posted by focus4chumps
please, dont drop your lightsaber and walk off into the twin sunset weeping, i was just having a playful jab.

No worries. I just want it to be known that I recognize the PT's shortcomings. Next time though, rather than walking off into the twin sunset, I plan on diving into the sarlacc pit. That way I spare myself the misery of ever returning. 😉

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Except for forced amputations, brutal decapitation/cold blooded execution, child murdering, immolation, mass slaughter, horrific disfigurement, and the victory of evil.

I hear ya, but just because those things occurred in "pg-13" style fashion, did it really feel as dark as they advertised it? None of those things really jerked me out of my seat or made me gasp. The part where Anakin gets fried and then we see Vader on the operating table, then yes...that was brutal looking, but that's about as disturbing as I really found it. I enjoyed ROTS, and it was dark in the sense of the things that were occurring, but the overall tone of ROTS wasn't consistently dark in my opinion, other than the last half hour.

As for The Force Unleashed...you got me there. I was kidding.

Nah...I don't know. I thought it was good at least. But what I tend to enjoy, others tend not to. I'm an odd duck I suppose.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
oh and it can be easily argued that the killing of the younglings was a state-ordered execution, not murder.

LOL

I just don't like the popular sentiment that, although these films (AotC and RotS) are filled with boring political dialogue, emotionless romance, and brutal executions, they're labeled as "for kids" just because they have some cartoon monsters and obnoxious CGI. For a movie aimed at kids (PG-13 can kiss my ass) RotS is pretty dark. Not that kids can't handle it, I just think it was unnecessary to take the series in that direction--a move I suspect was meant to recoup audiences from the shlock in TPM.

And TFU's a fun game to play, but it's got wooden, boring, personality-less characters that don't inspire an ounce of emotional investment--- other than the fact they're branded under Star Wars, so our nostalgic, fanboy cortex is activated. It's a clever trick, one LucasFilm is adept at exploiting.

I agree with you there that I also take up an issue with the PT being labeled as kiddie. There was plenty for me to enjoy about it. I love them all really, and I have high hopes for the ST.

whats not mature about silly clumsy talking rabbits and fart/poopoo jokes? the height of sophisticated humor if you ask me.