Originally posted by dadudemon
I think only 3 or 4 movies can be called "mass audience appealing". None of the Star Wars movies are that.
Euh.... are we talking about the same movie here? As in the SW that broke ALL box office records, that has become so ingrained in popular culture that it's being quoted everywhere???
How much more mass audience appealing can you get? If hordes and hordes of people come to watch your movie, it IS mass audience appealing. Just like Titanic was. (prolly a movie you WOULD call mass audience appealing). Box office records show they have the same mass audience appeal.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
he meant "appealing to all demographics", (not that such a film even exists) but chose the wrong words, which he will spend the next 14 pages furiously denying if this mass-deisagreement continues.
Let's go with what I actually said and stick to that: "mass audience appealing."
I'm going to go with the following list of mass audience appealing movies:
1. Gone with the Wind.
2. Star Wars: A New Hope.
3. The Sound of Music.
4. E.T.
5. Titanic.
I was wrong about Star Wars: ANH. Other than that, my point was right. 😄
Now un-bunch your panties.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Maaaaaaan. You trippin'.Well, at least thats confirmation of the fact that I don't have to take you seriously on this subject anymore.
No worries: I haven't taken pretty much all of you seriously. 🙂
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Oh good lord, what a ridiculous and feeble semantic argument. [b]Obviously the Star Wars movies are mass appeal films and any attempt to argue otherwise indicates either idiocy or trolling. That being so- dadude, cut it out, and all, please return to topic. No, I do not want this discussed. [/B]
It is topic relevant because we are speculating on whether or not Episode VII can be brought to a broader audience. The "Female Lead" is entertaining such speculation.
If you want Star Wars to be more mass-appealing, it has to lose the stigma of "nerd shit". I would like to see the new Star Wars appeal to people such as my wife but without losing what makes the 6 films so good.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You missed Empire, Jedi, Forrest Gump, The Wrath of Khan.. Star Trek XI...
I didn't: those are not top-5 films.
They are quality wise and for universal appeal, regardless of whatever list you could produce.
'The sound of music' could be dismissed because of the broad cross section of people who dont like musicals especially musicals about a nun on the run babysitting a rich family in wartime Austria.
May as well be trying to sell Mary Poppins to hardcore scifi and horror fans. Aliens, Groundhog day, The Blues Brothers, Ghostbusters...the list goes on on box office and non box office stuff that has true universal appeal.
You'd have to question the mind of those compiling that list, if that is the extent of it..but Ush is correct, the obvious wrongness of it all renders it something not worth feeding any further.
Anyway...heres hoping that writer that is on the firm here will capture the essence of great SW writing for Abrhams to mold a great movie out of. As pointed out before his CV didnt look too amazing. And dilluting characterisation/plot in writing in order to chase lists and figures would suck beyond comprehension.
What happened to Kazdan being involved...?
Originally posted by dadudemon
It is topic relevant because we are speculating on whether or not Episode VII can be brought to a broader audience. The "Female Lead" is entertaining such speculation.
Next time you continue to try and debate a topic after I've directly told you to stop, you will be banned. Any argument that Star Wars films do not have mass appeal, by any useful definition of the term, is a complete waste of time, and you are just being deliberately awkward.
So for the last time, move on, people.
So on the subject of women in the Star Wars universe...
I think it's interesting because the role of women in the Star Wars expanded universe - the novels and the like - is far more developed in what is arguably a much more neckbeardy/fanboyish environment.
So if the point about 'Star Wars is male centric because it's sci-fi/fantasy and they tend to be male centric' is something you want to make, it's not really borne out by the Star Wars universe as a whole.
And the fact remains that unfortunately Queeq is right, and women can relate to stories about men and women whereas men can only seemingly relate to stories about other men. I don't think that's natural by any means, because I think that if women ever wanted to watch anything that was about something other than a love story, they had no choice but to start relating to male characters. And men have basically been raised to think of women as Women and not people whom they can relate to. Not to mention the culture we live in treats the male experience as universal and the female experience as just female instead of human.
That's not to say that Star Wars is sexist by any means - a fair few peripheral Jedi and Council members are female in the PT (Yaddle, Adi Gallia, Depa Billaba), the entire Nubian system of government seems to favour women, Padme herself is a pretty strong female character until her character is assassinated in RotS when she 'dies of a broken heart' (yeah, like the woman who ran a planet and beat the Trade Federation at age 14 is going to die of a broken heart), and the OT has Leia who saves Luke and Han on various occasions and there's also Mon Mothma who's obviously a big gun in the Alliance.
As for Ripley not really being like a woman because she acted basically a man except the fact that she was a female - maybe we need to stop thinking of femininity in such rigid terms and Ripley herself is an excellent counter-example to the notion that men can't relate to female characters because they are somehow 'hardwired' differently. Though it is also pretty pathetic that if you consider female leads and sci-fi films, Ridley Scott pretty much knocked it out of the park with Alien and nobody's bothered to try and one-up him since.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Anyway...heres hoping that writer that is on the firm here will capture the essence of great SW writing for Abrhams to mold a great movie out of. As pointed out before his CV didnt look too amazing. And dilluting characterisation/plot in writing in order to chase lists and figures would suck beyond comprehension.What happened to Kazdan being involved...?
Kasdan is on board for episode VIII, Sads.
Originally posted by Imaginary
And the fact remains that unfortunately Queeq is right, and women can relate to stories about men and women whereas men can only seemingly relate to stories about other men.
Queeq is usually right about that stuff. However, there are several female characters that men are fans of...
Samus
Hermione (Harry Potter...because Emma Watson)
Éowyn
Katniss
Meh, I'll stop. Basically, what does those women have in common? They kick ass. In fact, they have several personality traits that are more in common with the concept of a "typical male" than a female. Many males like those characters.
I can hardly see a female Jedi being anything less than a "kick-ass" type.
Originally posted by Imaginary
I don't think that's natural by any means, because I think that if women ever wanted to watch anything that was about something other than a love story, they had no choice [b]but to start relating to male characters. And men have basically been raised to think of women as Women and not people whom they can relate to. Not to mention the culture we live in treats the male experience as universal and the female experience as just female instead of human.[/B]
Yeah, you're pretty much right. On point, when I ask my wife what movie she wants to see, that's out, she asks if any chick flicks are playing. 😐 It should be no surprise that she hasn't seen a single Star Wars film EVEN with my pleading and begging.
Originally posted by dadudemonYeah, you're pretty much right. On point, when I ask my wife what movie she wants to see, that's out, she asks if any chick flicks are playing. 😐 It should be no surprise that she hasn't seen a single Star Wars film EVEN with my pleading and begging.
What age range is she in if you don't mind me asking?
I've had many girlfriends who have never seen Star Wars as well. (They have vague memories of the OT as children). But my older sisters and aunty had always watched and loved the OT. The OT back in the day was something everyone watched.
The PT's become more like Star Trek in the sense that you either loved them or hated them. And even though they were still big box office films, they weren't something everyone had to watch.