Originally posted by samhain
Plus, Solo is the kind of character who would let himself go anyway, especially after losing Chewie to Wookie Aids.
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Originally posted by focus4chumps
I don't want to see old fat Luke swinging from a grapple hook, but any script that downplays his significance to the story and fades him to the background is precisely fit to wipe my ass with.
Ditto.
Nothing against age. I would love to see old Luke in kind of an OB1 role. But why drag all the old ones back just to keep referring to the other movies.
I mean, seeing Star Trek Into Darkness... (and Super 8) I must say Abrams seems to have adopted a knack of endlessly referencing other movies and stuff. I mean ST-ID look like a museum of ST moments... and the story itself is identical to his first ST reboot. I sure hope he doesn't go and and fill SW7 with endless references to the PT and OT. Make something original now, with just one or etwo things referring to the old days. Just an old Luke will do fine for me.
I can't wait for the references. Someone in the film will hold up Leia's old slave bra she kept in a box under her space bed. Han will mutter a remark about he always shoots first. Someone will reenact Ben's Mind Trick, but say that "these are the droids you're looking for"--a clever twist, see? Luke will chastise a young Jedi for saying something's "too big" to move. Someone will say "look at the size of that thing!" is a coy sexual innuendo. Someone will mention they f*cking love sand.
Can't wait.
Originally posted by queeq
Nothing against age. I would love to see old Luke in kind of an OB1 role. But why drag all the old ones back just to keep referring to the other movies.
They can pass the mantle and act as consultants. Leia can function in a diplatic/policial capacity while not being the center of focus like Jar Jar did in the second and third films (that was a better role for Jar Jar, imo).
Originally posted by queeq
I mean, seeing Star Trek Into Darkness... (and Super 8) I must say Abrams seems to have adopted a knack of endlessly referencing other movies and stuff. I mean ST-ID look like a museum of ST moments... and the story itself is identical to his first ST reboot. I sure hope he doesn't go and and fill SW7 with endless references to the PT and OT. Make something original now, with just one or etwo things referring to the old days. Just an old Luke will do fine for me.
Honestly, the references are the thing most enjoyable for me, about the Star Trek reboot. 😐
I want even more old Star Wars references than the Star Trek reboots.
A diplomatic/political capacity would just prove they are unnecessary for the story. Because they don't DO anything. I hope we don't get another political pamphlet in Sw like we got so much of in the PT.
And I don't mind the odd reference now and then. But with ST-ID, it's all one big reference without hardly an original idea. Or... even worse in this case, no original story. (well acted, well directed, well shot, but please get us a story that does take the reboot to a movie where no man has gone before!)
Originally posted by queeq
A diplomatic/political capacity would just prove they are unnecessary for the story. Because they don't DO anything. I hope we don't get another political pamphlet in Sw like we got so much of in the PT.
That's....exactly how Sidious rose to power, though. Without that stuff, we wouldn't have a Star Wars story. In the PT, remove the politics, and there is literally no reason at all for the entire story.
In the OT, remove the politics, and you have no motivation or reason for the story and characters. Leia doesn't even get kidnapped unless Vader wanted to bone a "kid" princess.
Originally posted by queeqDid you enjoy Star Trek: Into Darkness ?
Nothing against age. I would love to see old Luke in kind of an OB1 role. But why drag all the old ones back just to keep referring to the other movies.I mean, seeing Star Trek Into Darkness... (and Super 8) I must say Abrams seems to have adopted a knack of endlessly referencing other movies and stuff. I mean ST-ID look like a museum of ST moments... and the story itself is identical to his first ST reboot. I sure hope he doesn't go and and fill SW7 with endless references to the PT and OT. Make something original now, with just one or etwo things referring to the old days. Just an old Luke will do fine for me.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's....exactly how Sidious rose to power, though. Without that stuff, we wouldn't have a Star Wars story. In the PT, remove the politics, and there is literally no reason at all for the entire story.In the OT, remove the politics, and you have no motivation or reason for the story and characters. Leia doesn't even get kidnapped unless Vader wanted to bone a "kid" princess.
You hit the nail on the head there. OT has a political strand, but it doesn't dominate the story. In the PT it does, especially in TPM, and it's so boring (taxation of trade routes!!!) that we don't care. So it's not so much the politicalness of Sidious' rise to power, but the way that political bit and all the moral BS about democracy etc was used, that didn't help the story.
Just simple: in ANH we feel the Empire, but we don't know how the Empire came to be, we don't even get to see the Emperor and yet... it worked like a charm.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Did you enjoy Star Trek: Into Darkness ?
As I said: well directed, acted, shot and stuff. I enjoyed the ride, but I was extremely disappointed about the story (exactly the same story arc for Kirk and Spock as in the first reboot ST) and the excessive need to constantly refer to like... ALL the previous ST movies and series. Almost like a catwalk of ST events and characters without clear motivations. (a tribble???? come on... one that lives on human blood??? Come on).
Episode VII
I believe a balance of old and new can be found. If the story does focus on Han and Leia's children and the new characters they associate with, but Han, Leia and Luke are still a part of their lives in some way (Han could be a General in the New Republic who gives the kids a mission or yells at them for "buzzing the tower", Leia could be a Senator who they protect or go to for advice, Luke could be the only Jedi Master of the New Jedi Order sending them on missions or training them while he is stuck at the temple with the younglings). Meanwhile R2D2, C-3PO and Chewy can be just as much part of the story as the OT, Chewy now devoted to protecting Han's son. Wookiees live long enough it seems.
Originally posted by queeq
You hit the nail on the head there. OT has a political strand, but it doesn't dominate the story. In the PT it does, especially in TPM, and it's so boring (taxation of trade routes!!!) that we don't care. So it's not so much the politicalness of Sidious' rise to power, but the way that political bit and all the moral BS about democracy etc was used, that didn't help the story.
I'd like to point out that we have had this argument, before (follow the link by clicking "post" in that quote):
Originally posted by dadudemon
And the political talk is no different than the political mess of A New Hope: Princesses, interrogation on Rebel who'suhmuhwhatsuhs, Grand Moff's, Lords, Empires, Rebels, Emperors, Rebel Base locations, clone wars, galactic History, bills needing paid, and so forth. The entire film was a giant political allegory, if what others say is true.
There is literally no OT without politics. The political aspect of the OT is fundamentally essential. It did not happen in the background: the whole thing happened on screen. Just the same as the PT.
Politics and Star Wars go hand-in-hand.
Originally posted by dadudemonUnless you're being loose with the definition of that word, I'm not following you. You means politics as like, showing the inside of a political chamber, showing meetings between politicians concerning legislation, showing the trudging debate between political entities in the legislature? Cuz that's not in the OT, that's all PT. And it was boring as hell. Or some other kind of "politics"?
There is literally no OT without politics.
What politics in the OT are you talking about?
He means: we get some info about the political system. I think the only real political scene is the war room conversation: The imperial senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the old republic have been swept away.
And it kinda says: away with democracy, hoorray for total dictatorship. Or even shorter: bad guys are boss. And that's all we need to know.
Yes, there' s political allegory in the OT, but no boring everyday life in political Coruscant. As Lucien said: that was boring as hell.