Disney acquires Lucasfilm; Episode VII proposed for 2015

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i wasnt commenting on the effects. i was rather floored by the effects in into darkness. what annoyed me was the michael bay'esque quick-scenes where no shot/angle is shown for more than a half second, to 2 seconds tops (mostly a half to one second), which after 20-30 straight minutes of action climax is goddamn exhausting on the eyes.

i also just dont like it. for me it kinda ruined ST-ID.

My bad.

I was referring to this in your post:

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i dont mind the occasional lenseflares but he better not add the 'michael bay factor' to this one.

I thought you meant he was going to go apeshit with lense-flare like Bay does with explosions.

Because I have the attention span of a goldfish, I don't mind the quick shot editing style.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
As creative consultant on the film, George Lucas's involvement includes attending story meetings. "I mostly say, 'You can't do this. You can do that,' ” he told Bloomberg Businessweek. "You know, 'The cars don't have wheels. They fly with antigravity.' There’s a million little pieces. Or I can say, 'He doesn’t have the power to do that, or he has to do this.' I know all that stuff."

Well, I think that kind of commentary is necessary so that the Disney writers/team doesn't screw up continuity, create PIS, or even Prop mistakes. he's got a point about the speeders (they are speeders, not cars...so they shouldn't have tires, really).

However, they could hire some Star Wars geek that knows even more than George and get even better feedback/commentary on that type of stuff. But just having Lucas around in some portion of the creative process is a sentimental thing for us older Star Wars fans.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Now someone is going to troll in here.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I thought you meant he was going to go apeshit with lense-flare like Bay does with explosions.

Because I have the attention span of a goldfish, I don't mind the quick shot editing style.

When SW plays to the lowest common denominator, it fails.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
When SW plays to the lowest common denominator, it fails.

I'm unsure why you quoted my post. Most people cannot stand quick editing styles on film.

Also, your post seems phrased like it has happened already. All of the Star Wars films have been massive box-office and "home" successes.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Also, your post seems phrased like it has happened already. All of the Star Wars films have been massive box-office and "home"

Originally posted by dadudemon
However, they could hire some Star Wars geek that knows even more than George and get even better feedback/commentary on that type of stuff. But just having Lucas around in some portion of the creative process is a sentimental thing for us older Star Wars fans.

If nostalgia's your thing than rewatch the original trilogy. And didn't you get enough OT references with the new trilogy? That should be good enough. We now, and finally, have a new director with a vision of his own. To me George Lucas shouldn't be there as his influence hasn't been the greatest touch for the series lately. Like you said, Star Wars geeks that saw a lot of things wrong with the NT, with more knowledge than Lucas should take his place.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
with more knowledge than Lucas should take his place.

ummm...who exactly has more knowledge than george lucas of george lucas' brain child?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
because box office revenue = quality, right?

When someone says, in a generic context, that a movie failed, it now refers to quality rather than how much money it made?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
ummm...who exactly has more knowledge than george lucas of george lucas' brain child?

Most of the uber Star Wars fans, do. As was pointed out in this very same thread, he didn't even recognize one of the musical themes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
When someone says, in a generic context, that a movie failed, it now refers to quality rather than how much money it made?

"generic context"? please lets not place special vocabulary rules as per your arbitrary whim. i mean "fail" as in "does not succeed in _____"

i'm not trying to argue that it failed at restarting a gigantic media marketing juggernaut (milking legacy).

the PT failed in quality, which is why its already failed the test of time.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
"generic context"? please lets not place special vocabulary rules as per your arbitrary whim. i mean "fail" as in "does not succeed in _____"

So you didn't see that the context of "fail" was generic and not specifically about a subjective measure of quality?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
the PT failed in quality, which is why its already failed the test of time.

How did it fail the test of time and how does this apply to 7-9?

I preferred the Pt over the first trilogy. Personal preference doesn't determine failure. They were successes.

cant believe i missed this

Originally posted by dadudemon

Most of the uber Star Wars fans, do. As was pointed out in this very same thread, he didn't even recognize one of the musical themes.

musical themes are a point of post-production. are you actually going to try and de-legitimize george lucas' knowledge of the characters & mythos, based on him forgetting what song? a song that they threw over the scene he wrote and shot with characters based in a universe that he created?

your assertion is ridiculous and easily dismissable.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
musical themes are a point of post-production.

Oh really?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
are you actually going to try and de-legitimize george lucas' knowledge of the characters & mythos, based on him forgetting what song?

1. You don't remember the rage posted about the PT where you and others discussed the plotholes GL Created because he forgot about stuff from the OT?

2. You think that forgetting musical themes for characters, when George Lucas was involved in the creative processes of pre-production, production, and post-production including the musical portions, is insignificant?

3. You think that GL knows more about his stories than some of the biggest fans who obsess over these things.

4. Have you ever written a story that was consumed by hundreds of millions (billions?) and been able to obsesses over your stories as much as your biggest fans and then claimed to know just as much about the story as your biggest obsessors?

5. Do you even lift?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
Your assertion is ridiculous and easily dismissable.

And your assertions come off as trying too hard to be an argumentative contrarian that will do anything possible to argue against any position I take even if it contradicts positions you've held in the past.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I preferred the Pt over the first trilogy. Personal preference doesn't determine failure. They were successes.

I agree.

But I do hold (my opinion) that RotJ is better than the weakest of the PT: Phantom Menace.

Originally posted by dadudemon

1. You don't remember the rage posted about the PT where you and others discussed the plotholes GL Created because he forgot about stuff from the OT?

easily dismissable fallacious assumption. he created plotholes trying to adapt one trilogy to the other. it had nothing to do with forgetting things.

Originally posted by dadudemon
2. You think that forgetting musical themes for characters, when George Lucas was involved in the creative processes of pre-production, production, and post-production including the musical portions, is insignificant?

his involvement in the music was not hands on. john williams would record to the already filmed/edited clips and get approval from GL. it was not the type of involvement that went into the rest of production, in which he was there to dictate every process.

you're just trying to conflate the significance of musical scoring to win your little point, which is completely moot and rooted in fallacy.

Originally posted by dadudemon
3. You think that GL knows more about his stories than some of the biggest fans who obsess over these things.

yes. because it is his brainchild. fanboys/girls are just very good at remembering trivia.

you know the conceptual difference between conceiving an idea and documenting/recording that idea, so why the silly charade?

Originally posted by dadudemon
4. Have you ever written a story that was consumed by hundreds of millions (billions?) and been able to obsesses over your stories as much as your biggest fans and then claimed to know just as much about the story as your biggest obsessors?

this is the same failed moot point as #3, but i guess you feel like you needed more bulletpoints.

Originally posted by dadudemon
5. Do you even lift?

oh i get. "lol i trol u".

meh n/m all that.

dont let facts and simple deductive reason get in the way of you building your fallacious house of cards.

Oh dear. GL knows more about SW in its purest form. He made it.
Forgetting the Hoth battle music is forgivable. If he couldn't name the imperial march, or if John Williams was to forget, yeah that would be embarrassing, but hey....

Evolved opinions are often more informed than on-the-spot-and-stuck-to-no-matter-what kneejerks. Interesting that rather than justify your own assertion further, that you proceed instead to attack a poster personally.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh dear. GL knows more about SW in its purest form. He made it.

I agree. Concepts, intended ideas, stuff like that.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
...you proceed instead to attack a poster personally.

Yeeeeeaaaah, that's just not going to fly. Nice try. Twist it however you want, an attack it wasn't.

Its not a try or a twist. You just instead of addressing the point, you proceeded to attack the credibility of the person stating it as being aggressive contrarianism and insinuated that he changed his position to suit a cause.
Its there above for all to see.

Thats all.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its not a try or a twist. You just instead of addressing the point, you proceeded to attack the credibility of the person stating it as being aggressive contrarianism and insinuated that he changed his position to suit a cause.
Its there above for all to see.

Thats all.

No, what I said.

Maybe we should stay on topic instead of shitting up this thread with more of argumentative drivel: there's a vs. forum for that. 🙂

are you sure you want to keep up this obvious trolling, especially considering your poor success rate?