there are right wing attacks surfacing about how he's only profiting through avoiding obama's taxes and blah blah. its sickening really. sure he will see a significant return for a substantial portion of it, but they're making it like he's profiting
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/george-lucass-jedi-estate-planning-2012-11-01?link=MW_latest_news
Originally posted by HyperStream
However if they do decide to bring back Hamill, leave Carrie Fisher and Harrison out of it. Carrie's in terrible shape because of a long and horrible struggle with addiction and Harrison is too distracting in general to reprise his role as old Han especially considering he's already done old Indy.
I don't want Luke, Leia, or Han to have major roles or even semi-major roles.
But I do want to see them.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Mind you, it must be remembered that those were very early pre-production ideas. Looking at how much ESB and ROTJ changed during production (particularly ROTJ), let alone before it, we'll never know what possible kind of form those films could have taken. Whatever ideas were there, GL didn't want to do them.
That's probably sound enough logic to dismiss his "youthful" statements when his eyes were much bigger. I think he's become jaded and grumpy as he's gotten older. It probably is for the best that he passed off the torch.
Originally posted by HyperStream
Thank you George for giving me pure escapism as a child, and I apologize on behalf of all the idiotic nerds out there because you never once deserved a single ounce of all the hatred and mockery that they piled on you for making the prequels exactly the way you wanted them to be and allowing only yourself to have control of your own art. You are an amazing person and I hope the rest of your endeavors are successful and I hope history is kinder to you than that of your so called "fans."
Amen. I have not disliked anything GL has done with StarWars. Granted, I've liked some things more than others. I wish the hate would not have been so strong. I like the prequel, generally, more than the OT.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
there are right wing attacks surfacing about how he's only profiting through avoiding obama's taxes and blah blah. its sickening really. sure he will see a significant return for a substantial portion of it, but they're making it like he's profitinghttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/george-lucass-jedi-estate-planning-2012-11-01?link=MW_latest_news
Man...such bullshit. Someone can't even do a "Christian" thing without the Christians jumping down their throat. They just jelly because they didn't donate the money to get the kudos from their fellow church goers. Sorry, don't want to take this off topic.
Originally posted by HyperStream
Thank you George for giving me pure escapism as a child, and I apologize on behalf of all the idiotic nerds out there because you never once deserved a single ounce of all the hatred and mockery that they piled on you for making the prequels exactly the way you wanted them to be and allowing only yourself to have control of your own art. You are an amazing person and I hope the rest of your endeavors are successful and I hope history is kinder to you than that of your so called "fans."
I couldn't have said that better myself.
This sort of thing is what was lacking around here a while back, and as much as I loved this place and the amount of years I was a part of it, it was no longer fun to discuss anything.
I can totally understand people being disappointed or having criticism, as that is everyone's right. But, the one thing I could never comprehend, was just how much time and effort people put forth to constantly bash Lucas as if it were part of their job description. It just didn't stop....constantly, thread after thread. Whatever was being discussed, it somehow got reverted back to "that vile monster George Lucas." It got so old and tiring. The man is human like anyone else, and, he tried his best.
I think sometimes people forget that at the end of the day, they're just movies. Everyone had expectations that were held at near impossible standards, and some took their disappointment personally, as if it's somehow going to affect the way they live.....and it's at that point where one really needs to step back, take a deep breath, and just move on.
I guess some will probably call me a Lucas fanboy. But, I consider myself as someone who likes to have fun with movies, and for the most part, I enjoyed the prequels for what they were, and could never fathom letting my life rot away on the internet just to bash one person over and over again, year after year, post after post. It's just beyond sad at this point, when TPM and AOTC are already over a decade old.
I was somewhat offended that they rebooted Spider-Man so soon. I considered it a big cop out to the work Raimi had accomplished (even though the 3rd wasn't as good) but, instead of spending the next 2 years on the internet to bash the producers, I simply just let it go, because whining about it month after month wasn't going to accomplish anything.
You look at what Luacs is doing with the money he's getting from Disney, and I think that proves some of us right all along. He's a good guy, and it's time for people to devote their energies on the new trilogy, without dragging Lucas' name and the PT through the mud.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
...so you're not saying that they have no right to express their opinions here, just that they have no right to express negative opinions here?
Looks more like, "Why the unrelenting and constant bitching" rather than, "you have no right to complain".
In fact, he said, "I can totally understand people being disappointed or having criticism, as that is everyone's right."
I agree with him, too: people made it a part-time job to just constantly b*tch about the PT. It got old and irritating very quickly.
Generally, KMC is very anti-PT. For me, it boils down to, "You don't agree with me and I think you're reasons are invalid." I went through the complaints with several members and showed why their complaints are pretty much not legitimate at all when they hold the OT in such high-regard. Marius was one of the few posters to give original and un-hypocritical complaints against the PT which, for me, elevates his opinion above the others' complaints.
Originally posted by Sith Master X
I couldn't have said that better myself.This sort of thing is what was lacking around here a while back, and as much as I loved this place and the amount of years I was a part of it, it was no longer fun to discuss anything.
I can totally understand people being disappointed or having criticism, as that is everyone's right. But, the one thing I could never comprehend, was just how much time and effort people put forth to constantly bash Lucas as if it were part of their job description. It just didn't stop....constantly, thread after thread. Whatever was being discussed, it somehow got reverted back to "that vile monster George Lucas." It got so old and tiring. The man is human like anyone else, and, he tried his best.
I think sometimes people forget that at the end of the day, they're just movies. Everyone had expectations that were held at near impossible standards, and some took their disappointment personally, as if it's somehow going to affect the way they live.....and it's at that point where one really needs to step back, take a deep breath, and just move on.
I guess some will probably call me a Lucas fanboy. But, I consider myself as someone who likes to have fun with movies, and for the most part, I enjoyed the prequels for what they were, and could never fathom letting my life rot away on the internet just to bash one person over and over again, year after year, post after post. It's just beyond sad at this point, when TPM and AOTC are already over a decade old.
I was somewhat offended that they rebooted Spider-Man so soon. I considered it a big cop out to the work Raimi had accomplished (even though the 3rd wasn't as good) but, instead of spending the next 2 years on the internet to bash the producers, I simply just let it go, because whining about it month after month wasn't going to accomplish anything.
You look at what Luacs is doing with the money he's getting from Disney, and I think that proves some of us right all along. He's a good guy, and it's time for people to devote their energies on the new trilogy, without dragging Lucas' name and the PT through the mud.
Other people like to have fun with movies too. Hence the dissatisfaction with the prequels.
Fun = The OT for them. Is that not enough? Or does everyone have to step in line and consume what ever is shat onto a plate without noting the many many flies buzzing around it?
For fans who grew up on the OT, loving every minute of it, they could still enjoy the prequels for what they were: Movies that looked flashy but had zero actual depth, and diminished what was a great saga.
To demonify their critiques in such aggressive fashion, for having a differing opinion or perception or threshold for poop is not cricket, young Jedi.
And as for the longevity of the bad feedback, it would probably have been quelled, if the offending movies were not re-relased in VHS, DVD, BluRay, 3-D etc etc reminding everyone of the horror over and over again. And to paraphrase Bill Hicks: "Oh I can't talk about JFK cause it was "a long time ago..get over it" well don't talk about Jesus to ME then..."
And if they are just movies: Why the energy put into vilifying those who may have seen them, and their criticisms...maybe they love movies more than you...if you pity their anorakness or however you seen them, just go about your day and leave us to it maybe?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Looks more like, "Why the unrelenting and constant bitching" rather than, "you have no right to complain".In fact, he said, "I can totally understand people being disappointed or having criticism, as that is everyone's right."
I agree with him, too: people made it a part-time job to just constantly b*tch about the PT. It got old and irritating very quickly.
Generally, KMC is very anti-PT. For me, it boils down to, "You don't agree with me and I think you're reasons are invalid." I went through the complaints with several members and showed why their complaints are pretty much not legitimate at all when they hold the OT in such high-regard. Marius was one of the few posters to give original and un-hypocritical complaints against the PT which, for me, elevates his opinion above the others' complaints.
hmmm interesting interpretation dadudemon, however i cannot find any evidence of individual(s) flooding threads with bashings about "that vile monster George Lucas." i think ush/queeq would have put a stop to such distractive derailments. im sure you know well how the mods here find such behavior distasteful.
maybe someone can link me to an example of "unrelenting and constant bitching" in this forum?
Just now, on my Facebook:
"J.W. Rinzler, Lucasfilm Executive Editor and author of The Making of Star Wars, talks about The Long, Winding, and Shapeshifting Trail to Episodes VII, VIII & IX on the Star Wars blog."
Originally posted by focus4chumps
hmmm interesting interpretation dadudemon, however i cannot find any evidence of individual(s) flooding threads with bashings about "that vile monster George Lucas." i think ush/queeq would have put a stop to such distractive derailments. im sure you know well how the mods here find such behavior distasteful.maybe someone can link me to an example of "unrelenting and constant bitching" in this forum?
It was before your time on KMC, focus. Don't worry about it.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
hmmm interesting interpretation dadudemon, however i cannot find any evidence of individual(s) flooding threads with bashings about "that vile monster George Lucas." i think ush/queeq would have put a stop to such distractive derailments. im sure you know well how the mods here find such behavior distasteful.maybe someone can link me to an example of "unrelenting and constant bitching" in this forum?
The mods shouldn't censor anyone's opinion whether it's bashing Lucas or Obama or Odin as long as it isn't making death threats and is on topic.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It was before your time on KMC, focus. Don't worry about it.
i'm no internet rookie and was quite a SW fanboy since long before al gore invented it. in my time browsing forums i have yet to see this plague mentioned.
Originally posted by HyperStream
The mods shouldn't censor anyone's opinion whether it's bashing Lucas or Obama or Odin as long as it isn't making death threats and is on topic.
agree completely!
(so long as its on topic, is not of a repetitive spam/thread derailment nature, and not antagonistic toward other members)
:edit: what i suspect is that some folks become angry when seeing negative contrary opinions, and allow themselves to feel antagonized when no antagonism was given
wow, these guys are bigger whiners than Gotye himself
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Other people like to have fun with movies too. Hence the dissatisfaction with the prequels.Fun = The OT for them. Is that not enough? Or does everyone have to step in line and consume what ever is shat onto a plate without noting the many many flies buzzing around it?
For fans who grew up on the OT, loving every minute of it, they could still enjoy the prequels for what they were: Movies that looked flashy but had zero actual depth, and diminished what was a great saga.
To demonify their critiques in such aggressive fashion, for having a differing opinion or perception or threshold for poop is not cricket, young Jedi.
And as for the longevity of the bad feedback, it would probably have been quelled, if the offending movies were not re-relased in VHS, DVD, BluRay, 3-D etc etc reminding everyone of the horror over and over again. And to paraphrase Bill Hicks: "Oh I can't talk about JFK cause it was "a long time ago..get over it" well don't talk about Jesus to ME then..."
And if they are just movies: Why the energy put into vilifying those who may have seen them, and their criticisms...maybe they love movies more than you...if you pity their anorakness or however you seen them, just go about your day and leave us to it maybe?
How about just ignoring the films you don't like and enjoying the ones you do. I love the PT and the OT. But just because You didn't like the PT you expect Lucas shouldn't have made them for people like me.
I loved Matirx 1 and 2 but was disappointed in the third. But I just enjoy the first 2. I don't just sit around bitching about the Wachowski Brothers and how awful Revolutions was. It's their story and they can end it how ever they visioned it should end.
And your accusation about us vilifying the criticisms of Lucas and PT Haters is quite Laughable. It's those people who continuously vilify Lucas.
We're just pointing out that's:
1. Pretty Sad.
2. Being pretty Ungrateful to the guy who created your fandom of the OT in the first place.
3. Pretty damn Irritating to fans of the PT who find your desire for Lucas to have never made the PT the way he did Pretty Damn Arrogant!
the unaltered classic trilogy has been taken away and many people are annoyed by that because they want the films back in their original form without the ridiculous retro-fitted "improvements".
the act of flipping out and marginalizing those opinions as "crying because they are obsessed with hating george lucas", "pathetic", "sad", etc is irrelevant, antagonistic, idiotic, and incredibly hypocritical since it is clearly an act of baiting.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
...so you're not saying that they have no right to express their opinions here, just that they have no right to express negative opinions here?
The guy who posted underneath you 110 percent hit the nail on the head as to exactly what I was getting at, so what I was about to type, has already been covered for me.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Other people like to have fun with movies too. Hence the dissatisfaction with the prequels.To demonify their critiques in such aggressive fashion, for having a differing opinion or perception or threshold for poop is not cricket, young Jedi.
And if they are just movies: Why the energy put into vilifying those who may have seen them, and their criticisms...maybe they love movies more than you...if you pity their anorakness or however you seen them, just go about your day and leave us to it maybe?
I highlighted the paragraphs in which you entirely missed my point. Once again, let me thank Dadudemon for being one of the few people around here to just flat out get what I'm saying. And before I start...the first post I made about this was in no way aggressive, so that's completely off.
1. Other people like to have fun with the movies, hence the dissatisfaction with the prequels as you put it. That's a valid argument. Sadly, I feel that complaining about them for the better of 13 years now is borderline obsessive. I had tons of fun with Spider-Man 1 and 2. The 3rd was a let down to me. I expressed my criticism and disappointment at the time...and afterward, found something better to do. I did not make it a part time job to start a Sam Raimi bandwagon train. Criticism is fine...after a while, it becomes old and redundant. Barbara Walters to Donald Trump "Stop it....let it go."
2. "To demonify their critiques" In all fairness now, I said I can understand people being disappointed as that is their right. I've been let down by movies before too as I mentioned above. My point....is for people to quit bitching about it after a while. I don't need my college professor to remind me I failed a term paper due to bad grammar 13 years after graduation. But, as you would probably see it, he's just more passionate about grammar than I am.
Wait till Star Wars Episode 7 comes out in 2015. If I find the movie terrible, should I gripe about it and Walt Disney until the year 2028 on a constant basis? I'll let common sense answer that question.
3. Once again, I've already stated that people have a right to criticize and be disappointed. My point is, if people found it terrible...I don't understand the need to keep returning to something you didn't like. It's been ripped apart already since 1999. When is it going to be enough? You say I shouldn't vilify people for their critiques. Fine. Why do some people make it their life mission to vilify Lucas? What good comes out of that to drag it through the mud year after year?
You mention if I pity their criticism I should go about my day and leave. Perhaps...I could certainly do that, but I don't think I should turn away from something I happened to enjoy. I would expect someone who doesn't care for a certain type of food served at a restaurant, to stop going there and find something they can enjoy and be happy with, instead of going back to that restaurant year after year after year to complain about the food knowing that don't like it and never will. My point is...that person doesn't like it. Fine...it's their right not to. So why go back and drag it through the mud over and over again? Because they might enjoy or be more passionate about food than I am? Ugh...whatever. I guess the people that were butt-hurt over INDY 4 are just bigger INDY fans then me. 🙄 Or maybe I realize that movies aren't reality, and not everything in life is going to meet my expectations.
Yes, this is a forum for discussion, and people have the right to express themselves if they were disappointed in Lucas and the PT. My point for the millionth time... people need to quit dragging it through the mud already and find something better to discuss.
Dadudemon, you totally get it man.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
maybe someone can link me to an example of "unrelenting and constant bitching" in this forum?
You need me to send you the link to your previous 2 accounts? lol
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
How about just ignoring the films you don't like and enjoying the ones you do. I love the PT and the OT. But just because You didn't like the PT you expect Lucas shouldn't have made them for people like me.I loved Matirx 1 and 2 but was disappointed in the third. But I just enjoy the first 2. I don't just sit around bitching about the Wachowski Brothers and how awful Revolutions was. It's their story and they can end it how ever they visioned it should end.
And your accusation about us vilifying the criticisms of Lucas and PT Haters is quite Laughable. It's those people who continuously vilify Lucas.
We're just pointing out that's:
1. Pretty Sad.
2. Being pretty Ungrateful to the guy who created your fandom of the OT in the first place.
3. Pretty damn Irritating to fans of the PT who find your desire for Lucas to have never made the PT the way he did Pretty Damn Arrogant!
Bingo!
Originally posted by Sith Master XYou need me to send you the link to your previous 2 accounts? lol
wow...really? ok...well i guess you need to report your concerns to the moderation team so they can look into this. if not you have gone well into the realm of trolling.
as for me, i admit guilt in once again entertaining your continued antagonizing and dont want this to escalate into another of your 8 paragraph "good bye cruel forum" posts. so i will bite my tongue (well, fingers as the case would be here) and let you have the last word (or dissertation as the case would be here)
just found this excellent opinion piece (though it may deeply offend and disturb some members since its critical of the PT-click at your own risk)
"Star Wars Episode 7: 10 Things To Avoid"