Originally posted by Dolos
I gotta go with Matrix by a flarkin mile.The mofo that invented bullet-time.
And Star Wars basically "invented" (or was Largely repsonible for) Movie Special Effects, of which bullet time is a small, small, small part of. 🙂 The creators of The Matrix, not to mention How Many other world class directors, producers and actors, wouldnt even have become so without Star Wars inspiring them way back when.
The Matrix is so much more scientific, and plausible.
There is nothing more unrealistic than a type III civillization on the Kardashev scale operating exactly like a type I. Crime, war, desparity, mortality...wtf? Sure I can understand outlaws who wanna stay human as their creations en technology go out and do their thing, but don't think that AI is going to serve the stupid primitive archaic beyond obsolete organics.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I dunno... I get a rage boner every time Anakin gets angry. His emotional pool is 12 feet deep and filled with nothing but butthurt. Powerful stuff...
He could be the lead singer for a screamo song!!!
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Wait... you base how good a sci-fi movie is based on how realistic it is?
It takes far more creativity and a far larger imagination to create a virtual world than a loony sword and sorcery fantasy-world.
Star Wars one of the most sophisticated game series (KoToR I, II and ToR) that is riddled with great vocab and freedom for character creativity...but that has nothing to do with the films tbh.
Originally posted by Dolos???
It takes far more creativity and a far larger imagination to create a virtual world than a loony sword and sorcery fantasy-world.
No, it doesn't. It doesn't take less either. That you're deciding which franchise is better based solely on how much creativity you think was involved in its conception, is pretty sad. The first Matrix film was a technical beauty, as well as having a compelling story and great action scenes (the sequels failed utterly in those regards, Reloaded Merovingian aside). What about the amount of hard work and "creativity" that went in to the set design, costumes, and special effects? Do you care nothing for the characters, the plot, the sets, the narrative, the musical score, the pacing, the cinematography, the themes and ideas, the dialogue etc. Etc... et cetera.
The Star Wars originals are no less amazing in that regard, and like The Matrix, they go beyond your strange viewpoint of external creativity and focus on "cool fights scenes, brah." Or is all you care about how cool the fight scenes look and how much "creativity" you feel is involved at the writers' desk (regardless of how much is actually involved)?
Cuz that's a pretty piss-poor criteria for judging movies.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
???No, it doesn't. It doesn't take less either. That you're deciding which franchise is better based solely on how much creativity you think was involved in its conception, is pretty sad. The first Matrix film was a technical beauty, as well as having a compelling story and great action scenes (the sequels failed utterly in those regards, Reloaded Merovingian aside). What about the amount of hard work and "creativity" that went in to the set design, costumes, and special effects? Do you care nothing for the characters, the plot, the sets, the narrative, the musical score, the pacing, the cinematography, the themes and ideas, the dialogue etc. Etc... et cetera.
The Star Wars originals are no less amazing in that regard, and like The Matrix, they go beyond your strange viewpoint of external creativity and focus on "cool fights scenes, brah." Or is all you care about how cool the fight scenes look and how much "creativity" you feel is involved at the writers' desk (regardless of how much is actually involved)?
Cuz that's a pretty piss-poor criteria for judging movies.
You have no idea what I liked about the Matrix and Star Wars, your posts reflect this. Think on your cluelessness and quit taking what I say so personally. Emotion is for women. Unless you're a woman and in that case, 😎 .
Anyhow, themes and ideas, dialogue, and story are why the Matrix TRILOGY is far, far better than the Star Wars hexology.
Being that creative and keeping the much realism did it in for me as well.
So I've elaborated on my thoughts of the creativity of the ideas behind, the awesomeness and visual appeal of the bullet-time. So you want to talk about story, plot, dialogue and character progression now? Lets start with dialogue, the only Star Wars character that can be considered on par with Smith's menacing and awe-inspiring dialogues was the Emperor in ROTJ, and yet I still find Smith's talking down in all three films to be more sinister.
That's just a start, I'm not in the mood for this right now tbh.
Originally posted by DolosWell, yeah. Palptine would be the only one on par. He's the big bad, the final boss, the main villain... just like Smith. They would be comparable. And the Star Wars prequels blow more chunks than the Matrix sequels could ever dream of.
You have no idea what I liked about the Matrix and Star Wars, your posts reflect this. Think on your cluelessness and quit taking what I say so personally. Emotion is for women. Unless you're a woman and in that case, 😎 .Anyhow, themes and ideas, dialogue, and story are why the Matrix TRILOGY is far, far better than the Star Wars hexology.
Being that creative and keeping the much realism did it in for me as well.
So I've elaborated on my thoughts of the creativity of the ideas behind, the awesomeness and visual appeal of the bullet-time. So you want to talk about story, plot, dialogue and character progression now? Lets start with dialogue, the only Star Wars character that can be considered on par with Smith's menacing and awe-inspiring dialogues was the Emperor in ROTJ, and yet I still find Smith's talking down in all three films to be more sinister.
That's just a start, I'm not in the mood for this right now tbh.
But I predict your insistence that the Matrix sequels were actually good. That I want to hear about. Aside from the Merovingian (Reloaded only) and Monica Belluci's neckline, I can't think of anything in either sequels that can be called good. The philosophy is babble and makes no sense, the special effects are no longer novel (the awe of bullet-time was used up in the first film), the characters are so effing boring, and the plot is just convoluted and... dumb. I can't think of a more accurate word (especially for Revolutions).
And Smith isn't sinister, clever, or threatening... he's hilarious! He spouts the same nonsense that the Oracle and Architect do, he grins and guffaws like a retard, and that "climax" (I couldn't put enough quotations around that word if I tried) fight in Revolutions looks like garbage compared to the first film's. I couldn't stop laughing at all the stupid clones standing around with that same Billy Idol-esque sneer on their faces. Nor at the slow-mo face-squishing. Nor at the ridiculous way Smith breaks out of the ground and floats in the air like a DBZ character. It was funny. But by God, it was stupid.
Throw in the stick-in-the-mud protagonists, who are all unlikable, boring, and full of the same bland and/or shitty dialogue as everyone else, and what's left? The cascade of CGI, Lucas-style? The utterly meaningless battle for Zion that drags on forever and ultimately meant nothing to the story's resolution? The forced and contrived love stories? The switcharoo they pulled on Morpheus' personality during that scene in Reloaded? MACHINES? The pointless half-orgy of androgynous bronze people?
I'm honestly at a loss to think of anything interesting, or even all that entertaining about the Matrix sequels. Cartoon Smith, French people, boobs, and digital orgasms aside, of course.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Well, yeah. Palptine would be the only one on par. He's the big bad, the final boss, the main villain... just like Smith. They would be comparable. And the Star Wars prequels blow more chunks than the Matrix sequels could ever dream of.But I predict your insistence that the Matrix sequels were actually good. That I want to hear about. Aside from the Merovingian (Reloaded only) and Monica Belluci's neckline, I can't think of anything in either sequels that can be called good. The philosophy is babble and makes no sense, the special effects are no longer novel (the awe of bullet-time was used up in the first film), the characters are so effing boring, and the plot is just convoluted and... dumb. I can't think of a more accurate word (especially for Revolutions).
And Smith isn't sinister, clever, or threatening... he's hilarious! He spouts the same nonsense that the Oracle and Architect do, he grins and guffaws like a retard, and that "climax" (I couldn't put enough quotations around that word if I tried) fight in Revolutions looks like garbage compared to the first film's. I couldn't stop laughing at all the stupid clones standing around with that same Billy Idol-esque sneer on their faces. Nor at the slow-mo face-squishing. Nor at the ridiculous way Smith breaks out of the ground and floats in the air like a DBZ character. It was [b]funny
. But by God, it was stupid.Throw in the stick-in-the-mud protagonists, who are all unlikable, boring, and full of the same bland and/or shitty dialogue as everyone else, and what's left? The cascade of CGI, Lucas-style? The utterly meaningless battle for Zion that drags on forever and ultimately meant nothing to the story's resolution? The forced and contrived love stories? The switcharoo they pulled on Morpheus' personality during that scene in Reloaded? MACHINES? The pointless half-orgy of androgynous bronze people?
I'm honestly at a loss to think of anything interesting, or even all that entertaining about the Matrix sequels. Cartoon Smith, French people, boobs, and digital orgasms aside, of course. [/B]
Ewoks using small sticks to bludgeon an Elite Furustic Military Squad with advanced armor and laser powered weaponry.
I know. Hilarious and stupid, right? But there's more of an emotional connection to those Ewoks than to anyone in the Matrix sequels. I actually care (as much as can be cared with films) when Ewoks, and Yoda, and Vader die. Or when Han is frozen. Or when Luke sees his aunt and uncle dead in the sand. Or when they celebrate at the end of ANH and RotJ.
I couldn't care less about anyone or anything in the Matrix sequels. Which is my point. I stress emotional connection between audience and film more than plot or effects. And for that you need developed characters with depth and personality to them. The Matrix (sequels) people tend to stick with one note. And they and the film are boring for it. It's exactly what happened to the SW prequels--albeit on a more egregious scale.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I know. Hilarious and stupid, right? But there's more of an emotional connection to those Ewoks than to anyone in the Matrix sequels. I actually care (as much as can be cared with films) when Ewoks, and Yoda, and Vader die. Or when Han is frozen. Or when Luke sees his aunt and uncle dead in the sand. Or when they celebrate at the end of ANH and RotJ.I couldn't care less about anyone or anything in the Matrix sequels. Which is my point. I stress emotional connection between audience and film more than plot or effects. And for that you need developed characters with depth and personality to them. The Matrix (sequels) people tend to stick with one note. And they and the film are boring for it. It's exactly what happened to the SW prequels--albeit on a more egregious scale.
How old are you?
I was still under age 10 when I saw Revolutions, so I wasn't as concerned with Teddy bears as I was with a hot chick in leather, but I still wasn't old enough of to be desensitized by the violence and death and hadn't seen enough films to be tired of those sorts of plot twists.
I think you were that old, which was why Star Wars will always hold more nastalgia for you until you open your mind.