Better movie franchise: Matrix or Star Wars

I've seen the Matrix sequels probably a dozen times, and can't in all honestly say that I think they are "good" films. Entertaining, sure. But a stupid, mindless, kind of entertainment. I see no quality in the characters or plot, and even the famed martial arts scenes tend to drag (in the case of Revolutions, they're just plain bland). Neo's fight with Smith in #1 was dirty, brutal, well-timed, and just the right length. The movie built up to it very well, and had been sparing with the fight scenes up until then--most had been quick and/or training. So when it came time for the big showdown, the fighting didn't feel overstayed and fatigued, and the dynamic between the two characters was more pronounced. With the Sequels, it was just fight after fight after fight after fight after fight, with little to no emotional investment from the characters, and thus none for the audience.

Do you see what I mean? It's not about the fight scenes or the lightsabers, it's not about the robots and the CGI, it's not about the leather and Natalie Portman's midriff... for me, it's about the character and the story. The rest are just compliments. Because the Matrix sequels failed to create relatable/likable characters, and a coherent/logical story for them to follow, no amount of compliments gratuitously shoved in to the running time will save them.

Did you not say earlier that you thought the fight with Neo and the Smith army was cool?

Anyway it's a long time ago.

I remember finding the Animatrix in a weird part (anime) of a video store when I about 8 or 9, I watched the Second Renaiassance and some of the other scenes...I thought that was the coolest sh*t of all time.

Though the Machines tearing apart people and that scene where you see everyone hospitalized after the battle in the Second Rennaissance Part II, that kinda bothered me for a while.

The Neo/Clones fight was cool for about a minute, then it dragged. But again, dumb, mindless action scenes as stand alones don't a good movie make.

The only part of the Animatrix I saw was the background to the Machine uprising. I liked that--the mythology of fictional worlds is usually pretty good, regardless of the actual story. Even Twilight has a neat premise, but for the atrocious characters.

Star Wars by far.

Don't get me wrong, I love The Matrix. The first film is a sci fi action masterpiece. The other two...eh, but the first movie picks up the slack by far.

Star Wars just has a much better, grander mythology that I'm more into. There's so many stories you can tell in the SW Universe that aren't space opera: be it political, hard sci fi, fantasy, comedy, Lovecraftian horror(some of the weirder aliens look like Cthulhu), etc. The Matrix just has it's one story.

Ehhh Star Wars is cool and all but it's too silly for me today. Chewbacca, R2-D2, C-3PO, etc. Hell, it doesn't help that the main protagonist in Luke is a pansy.

Not saying The Matrix is better but it's probably closer than most make it seem. The Emperor is the only good thing about ROTJ. Darth Vader is the shit though.

I am one of the few that happen to like The Matrix Reloaded.

Star Wars.

Luke goes from pansy to badass.
Its the transformation that the heroes journey brings out.
Neo starts as a wooden acting guy and ends that way.

The SW trilogy has a better story arc and characters. And was as grandiose with its scope and special effects and had a better score etc.

Badass? Oh you must have meant the transition Neo went through.

A badass Luke surely wasn't. Having the term applied to him is an overstatement.

Luke was anything but a badass. That's downright laughable.

Neo became a badass over one film. Luke became... confident over three films. But he was never a badass.

That's because the great Darth Sidious had cornered the market on badassery. God, what a flawless combination of intellect, charisma, and unlimited power.

Vader will always be the epitome of badass on any medium.

Tarkin and Palpatine are cool though.

Vader is Star Wars' badass. Lando is it's pimp. C-3PO is it's queer. Han is it's Man. Leia is it's sex symbol. Luke is it's everyman. And Palpatine is it's Joker.

Lucas ****ed up when he killed Darth Maul. Imagine an Episode 3 fight with him and Anakin for the battle of the Dark Lord of the Sith title. I mean I like Tyranus but damn Maul was something else.

What I meant was that there was not one Power convertors rant in Jedi. Fact.

And there were zero tears when he got his hand cut off in ESB. Also fact.

You could look at Luke at the start of ANH and at the end of ROTJ and see from his expression, demeanour in addition to his appearance and see the journey's effect on the person who went through it. Reeves appears to be just as expressionally challenged as he is in the 1st movie and doesnt really seem to have changed as much as Skywalker. And Anakin certainly changed a bit from TPM to ROTJ, didn't he....

The mythology and universe of SW is both massive in scope but in a way that the strorytelling touched humanity and universally relatable themes, but also was placed in a epically solid trilogy.

The Matrix arguebly never had that distinction due to the iffy sequels and feeling like we were watching a souless and in places dodgily acted CGI computergame through most of it, but for all the wrong reasons... (Not something I apply so much as criticism towards the 1st Matrix movie..that was really good.)

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Pussy.

Dramatic? Yes.
A pussy? No.

Takes balls to jump off of that ledge to whatever may lay below.

I'd say he took it quite well. 🙂

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Vader is Star Wars' badass. Lando is it's pimp. C-3PO is it's queer. Han is it's Man. Leia is it's sex symbol. Luke is it's everyman. And Palpatine is it's Joker.

Vader is a weak-willed pussy.

He was always a weak-willed pussy, butthurt OTfags just refuse to acknowledge it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Dramatic? Yes.
A pussy? No.

Takes balls to jump off of that ledge to whatever may lay below.

I'd say he took it quite well. 🙂

Yup, what this guy said. 👆

*swings from Sadako's nuts*

Originally posted by NemeBro
Vader is a weak-willed pussy.

He was always a weak-willed pussy, butthurt OTfags just refuse to acknowledge it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Vader is a weak-willed pussy.

He was always a weak-willed pussy, butthurt OTfags just refuse to acknowledge it.