Obama must go!

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not like this, however. Last election, there wasn't this much whining.

Lemne rephrase: there wasn't this much official

Eh, ok. Until this election I lived in a battleground state my whole life, and every year we heard about these stories. I feel like they're just getting more mainstream coverage. It's the media's job to make the current news seem bigger than the past...it's why each election seems like the most polarized in history (nevermind that vicious smear campaigns have existed since George Washington's time).

You might be right, but I was a little surprised at the fervor over this.

Originally posted by BackFire
This secession shit is pretty hilarious.

Agreed. But if Texas wasn't a major economy in the US, I'd be happy to let them secede and try and manage themselves on every facet. That includes repelling invasions from Mexico or possibly the North Koreans. Shit would be hilarious.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
them southerners?

Racist. uhuh

race-ist?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
In all seriousness, though, it isn't a question of how serious these Southerners are, it's a question of how numerous they are.

it might not have been the correct word, but ?I do think there is a lack of seriousness involved in this, compared to our domestic politics. I mean, like, there would appear to be no political infrastructure, no regional political movements, no organization, etc. It seems far more akin to some knee-jerk rather than a serious political challenge to the federal government.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It isn't anything close to the situation in Quebec where the Secessionists are represented by a major regional political party with seats in the National Legislature.

Just to be a pedant, neither the Bloc or the PQ are strictly seperatist, but would be better understood as "Quebec-Fisrt" or asymmetrical-federalist. Pundits flirt with the idea in the media from time to time, like the recent student protests, but ultimately in Quebec and the rest of Canada, there is little interest in "separatism". For instance, the provincial PQ who were just elected ran on a mandate that included enforcing stricter language laws (most business must now be done in French, by law) and doing away with wearing any religious symbols, that aren't crosses, if you are a public employee.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's actually a bit more disturbing than I thought. This secession crap seems more serious than I thought. I thought it was funny, at first.

I wouldn't worry too much about 5-10% 😛

Originally posted by Robtard
Agreed. But if Texas wasn't a major economy in the US, I'd be happy to let them secede and try and manage themselves on every facet. That includes repelling invasions from Mexico or possibly the North Koreans. Shit would be hilarious.

The Mexico thing would be more than terrible. There are so many trigger-happy citizens down there just relishing any chance they might get to put holes in someone. There were a few killings before when those "minute men" were active on private border patrol.

Originally posted by Digi
You guys know that the whole secession thing happens every election, yeah? Media storm ftw.

Also, on a creepier but similar note, gun sales spiked when both Clinton and Obama were elected.

Originally posted by Oliver North

Just to be a pedant, neither the Bloc or the PQ are strictly seperatist, but would be better understood as "Quebec-Fisrt" or asymmetrical-federalist. Pundits flirt with the idea in the media from time to time, like the recent student protests, but ultimately in Quebec and the rest of Canada, there is little interest in "separatism". For instance, the provincial PQ who were just elected ran on a mandate that included enforcing stricter language laws (most business must now be done in French, by law) and doing away with wearing any religious symbols, that aren't crosses, if you are a public employee.

This is the line they took because they didn't have the choice:
a majority of quebeckers aren't interested in the independance of Quebec. The only reason why the PQ was elected in the first place was because the PLQ (a federalist party) was corrupt to the ****ing bone, and still, the earned 31,2% of the popular vote, to the 31,9% of the PQ if my memory is ok.

PQ and it's federal counter-part, the Bloc, are, at the heart, for the independance. But the population don't want it now.

Originally posted by Oliver North
I wouldn't worry too much about 5-10% 😛

Knee-jerk reaction varies directly with butthurt. There's lot of butthurt.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
This is the line they took because they didn't have the choice:
a majority of quebeckers aren't interested in the independance of Quebec. The only reason why the PQ was elected in the first place was because the PLQ (a federalist party) was corrupt to the ****ing bone, and still, the earned 31,2% of the popular vote, to the 31,9% of the PQ if my memory is ok.

PQ and it's federal counter-part, the Bloc, are, at the heart, for the independance. But the population don't want it now.

thats sort of exactly what I said

they aren't specifically separatist if that isn't what people want. Its not an ideological principal of the party so much as "Quebec-first" would be. They do push for independence, but it has more often been in the sense of asymmetrical federalism. I agree, if the opportunity arose they would push for full independence, so /shrug?

but ya, amazing that after everything thats gone on in Quebec, the PLQ were nearly reelected.

are classes back in yet? did everyone go back when the tuition hikes were scrapped?

Originally posted by Oliver North
thats sort of exactly what I said

This sentence made my brain hurt.

Originally posted by Oliver North
thats sort of exactly what I said

they aren't specifically separatist if that isn't what people want. Its not an ideological principal of the party so much as "Quebec-first" would be. They do push for independence, but it has more often been in the sense of asymmetrical federalism. I agree, if the opportunity arose they would push for full independence, so /shrug?

but ya, amazing that after everything thats gone on in Quebec, the PLQ were nearly reelected.

are classes back in yet? did everyone go back when the tuition hikes were scrapped?

For the PLQ, in my mind, this is insane. I, personnaly, voted for the PQ. Not because I want that Quebec become a country, but I vote for them, because they weren't any other choice. Because there's no way that I will vote for a bunch of criminals. Now, if the PQ was a majority, I'd vote No for the separation.

As for the classes, yeah they are, for quite some times in fact. There is 3 major "unions" of students, and 2 of them are totally ok with how the conflict resolved itself. The third one is a bit more "extreme", if I may say. They want Free Tuition. They try to go back on the street, but they won't be able to convince students to go back, in my opinion, that's for sure. To much time was already lost, and the students got what they wanted.

You could always not vote.

I didn't. 🙂

you didn't not vote?

i didn't

I also didn't not not not didn't not vote.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You could always not vote.

It didn't matter at the end, since my district went to the PLQ anyway.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you didn't not vote?

i didn't

yeah me neither

I hate forgetting to not vote. Always makes me feel so involved.

I've never done nothing in no place.

They tracked down the guy who started the Alabama Secession petition. He wants to secede because a LOCAL obscenity law closed down his topless car wash. Because, you know, leaving the Union and therefore the Constitution behind will ensure LESS obscenity laws in Alabama.

http://blog.al.com/live/2012/11/alabama_secessionist_says_work.html