Originally posted by Nemesis X
I'm not associated with any religious faction and I still find abortion to be morally wrong but if the fetus is already dying and is going to kill the woman, there really aren't a lot of options are there?
Apparently those muppets who call themselves doctors thought otherwise.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It hasn't been a theocracy in years, assuming it ever was.Ireland is just behind the times when it comes to legislation. Very behind the times.
the source of their legislation is Catholicism. irish catholics are not a minority and the problem here is not divorced from religion, but directly influenced by the catholic church. just because they dont run around calling themselves a theocracy doesnt mean that they are not governed in part by the pope.
roughly 87% catholic. hardly a minority.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Apparently those muppets who call themselves doctors thought otherwise.
To be fair, it's still illegal to perform an abortion in Ireland; so those doctors where officially following the law. We have no idea how they personally felt about it.
"In 1992, Ireland’s Supreme Court ruled that abortion should be allowed if the mother’s life was in danger but the law has never been changed, forcing thousands of women to travel abroad for terminations every year."
and
"This was an obstetric emergency which should have been dealt with in a routine manner,†she said. “Yet Irish doctors are restrained from making obvious medical decisions by a fear of potentially severe consequences.â€
Originally posted by Robtard
To be fair, it's still illegal to perform an abortion in Ireland; so those doctors where officially following the law. We have no idea how they personally felt about it."In 1992, Ireland’s Supreme Court ruled that abortion should be allowed if the mother’s life was in danger but the law has never been changed, forcing thousands of women to travel abroad for terminations every year."
and
"This was an obstetric emergency which should have been dealt with in a routine manner,†she said. “Yet Irish doctors are restrained from making obvious medical decisions by a fear of potentially severe consequences.â€
I see. I was under the impression that abortions in Ireland were legal if the mother's life is in danger. Goddamn, but this is even worse...
Originally posted by focus4chumps
the source of their legislation is Catholicism. irish catholics are not a minority and the problem here is not divorced from religion, but directly influenced by the catholic church. just because they dont run around calling themselves a theocracy doesnt mean that they are not governed in part by the pope.roughly 87% catholic. hardly a minority.
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i didn't say irish catholics are a minority. I am an irish catholic. I know we're the majority. I'm talking about the group of catholics who still cling to an outdated morality.
They don't listen to the pope though. This is a country where our own leader publicly slammed the pope:
Originally posted by Robtard
To be fair, it's still illegal to perform an abortion in Ireland; so those doctors where officially following the law. We have no idea how they personally felt about it."In 1992, Ireland’s Supreme Court ruled that abortion should be allowed if the mother’s life was in danger but the law has never been changed, forcing thousands of women to travel abroad for terminations every year."
and
"This was an obstetric emergency which should have been dealt with in a routine manner,†she said. “Yet Irish doctors are restrained from making obvious medical decisions by a fear of potentially severe consequences.â€
Which is sad, as I personally know an irish doctor who's performed that very procedure.
it's that thing in ireland where you only follow the law when you get told enough times to do it.
Some doctors, like I said, are just dipshits when it comes to this kind of thing.
Originally posted by Robtard
To be fair, it's still illegal to perform an abortion in Ireland; so those doctors where officially following the law. We have no idea how they personally felt about it."In 1992, Ireland’s Supreme Court ruled that abortion should be allowed if the mother’s life was in danger but the law has never been changed, forcing thousands of women to travel abroad for terminations every year."
and
"This was an obstetric emergency which should have been dealt with in a routine manner,†she said. “Yet Irish doctors are restrained from making obvious medical decisions by a fear of potentially severe consequences.â€
If I was a doctor who got fired for saving a life in a situation like that then &*%# the system. I'd rather risk my job than allow someone to die and that's what doctors should be thinking. Those guys should be fired anyway just for being wimpy morons.
Originally posted by -Pr-
😐i didn't say irish catholics are a minority. I am an irish catholic. I know we're the majority. I'm talking about the group of catholics who still cling to an outdated morality.
They don't listen to the pope though. This is a country where our own leader publicly slammed the pope:
displaying outrage over the vatican ignoring acts of abomination
does not disprove the majority belief in catholic law. american catholics are outraged over the vatican's covering up of child molestations by priests. that doesnt imply a rejection of catholic morals set by the same entity. its not even relevant ffs.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Which is sad, as I personally know an irish doctor who's performed that very procedure.it's that thing in ireland where you only follow the law when you get told enough times to do it.
Some doctors, like I said, are just dipshits when it comes to this kind of thing.
the doctors who performed the procedures were criminals, actually.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
If I was a doctor who got fired for saving a life in a situation like that then &*%# the system. I'd rather risk my job than allow someone to die and that's what doctors should be thinking. Those guys should be fired anyway just for being wimpy morons.
Not just job. The structural integrity of your anus, as you could be found guilty of murder and sent to prison.
No real difference when children that could be saved die because their Jehovah Witness parents refuse a blood transfusion due to religious beliefs. Doctors' hands are tied. As an example.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
displaying outrage over the vatican ignoring acts of abomination
does not disprove the majority belief in catholic law. american catholics are outraged over the vatican's covering up of child molestations by priests. that doesnt imply a rejection of catholic morals set by the same entity. its not even relevant ffs.the doctors who performed the procedures were criminals, actually.
ireland isn't the same as america. not nearly. the law isn't some strict catholic-abiding constitution. like i said, ireland is just really behind the times in legislation, and it's as much to do with laziness as, if not moreso than, catholic doctrine.
i'd say your assertion isn't relevant, but that's just imo.
yes, they were. and they did it anyway, because they used common sense.
Originally posted by -Pr-
ireland isn't the same as america. not nearly. the law isn't some strict catholic-abiding constitution. like i said, ireland is just really behind the times in legislation, and it's as much to do with laziness as, if not moreso than, catholic doctrine.i'd say your assertion isn't relevant, but that's just imo.
ok, but for the life of me i cannot think of any single bit of legislation passed which goes against catholic law. (besides condoms being legalized in 1980 lol)
Originally posted by -Pr-
ireland isn't the same as america. not nearly. the law isn't some strict catholic-abiding constitution. like i said, ireland is just really behind the times in legislation, and it's as much to do with laziness as, if not moreso than, catholic doctrine.i'd say your assertion isn't relevant, but that's just imo.
yes, they were. and they did it anyway, because they used common sense.
So you're saying that the idiots who run Ireland are idiots not because of religion, but just because they're genuinely stupid?
Originally posted by Robtard
Not just job. The structural integrity of your anus, as you could be found guilty of murder and sent to prison.
I find it hard to believe no hospital was ever prepared for a situation where an inevitably dying fetus was killing a woman and there was no choice but to abort what can already be dead unless they want the woman to die too and because they let that happen, someone should be faced with murder charges.
No real difference when children that could be saved die because their Jehovah Witness parents refuse a blood transfusion due to religious beliefs. As an example.
This world sucks.
Originally posted by Robtard
To be fair, it's still illegal to perform an abortion in Ireland; so those doctors where officially following the law. We have no idea how they personally felt about it."In 1992, Ireland’s Supreme Court ruled that abortion should be allowed if the mother’s life was in danger but the law has never been changed, forcing thousands of women to travel abroad for terminations every year."
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Wait, so despite the Supreme Court's ruling, the government still didn't change/implement the law? What a bunch of ****tards.
I'm guessing The Catholic Church's influence > The Supreme Court in Ireland.
Or maybe you and BackFire are correct; the majority of Ireland is made up of genuinely stupid people?
Originally posted by focus4chumps
disgusting.and these bible thumpers wonder why atheism is spreading so rapidly.
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/02/28/thriving-christianity
"The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding. Over 600 million Christians, including millions of Roman Catholics, are charismatic or Pentecostal."
Probably cos they're counting new births from *insert religion* parents as new members". Which is both silly and retarded and dare I say outright dishonest reporting.
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"But overall, despite the distortions of secular, U.S. elite culture, people of faith in America and around the world can be hopeful that faith, and not Western secularism, represents the future for the vast majority of the world."
I lol'd