Pregnant woman dies in Ireland after being denied an abortion

Originally posted by dadudemon
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/02/28/thriving-christianity

"The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding. Over 600 million Christians, including millions of Roman Catholics, are charismatic or Pentecostal."

skewed irrelevant figures for the win

now for relevance:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Bsa-religion-question.svg

if you feel like registering here is the source: http://www.britsocat.com/BodySecure.aspx?control=BritsocatMarginals&var=RELIGION&SurveyID=27

Originally posted by BackFire
So you're saying that the idiots who run Ireland are idiots not because of religion, but just because they're genuinely stupid?

Originally posted by dadudemon
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/02/28/thriving-christianity

"The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding. Over 600 million Christians, including millions of Roman Catholics, are charismatic or Pentecostal."

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I would think that the atheists are more disproportionately represented in China, and that the decline of atheism is a result of the opening up of China to more missionaries.

That was my assumption, as well.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
skewed irrelevant figures for the win

now for relevance:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Bsa-religion-question.svg

if you feel like registering here is the source: http://www.britsocat.com/BodySecure.aspx?control=BritsocatMarginals&var=RELIGION&SurveyID=27

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say your stats are limited to Britain (for example I doubt 70% of the world was Christian in 1983). As awful as dadude's article for the most part is I trust that their figures take into account the whole world, this is the kind of thing that is very important to Christians. The most likely distortion is the ambiguity created by the existence of secular Christianity in the the West.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
As awful as dadude's article for the most part is...

I...didn't write that article.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I...didn't write that article.

The article you cited.

Is that not a common phrasing? Dadude's car would be the car dadude drives not necessarily the car dadude built.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The article you cited.

Is that not a common phrasing? Dadude's car would be the car dadude drives not necessarily the car dadude built.

The proper parallel would be, "a picture of Symmetric Chaos with his car is not dadudemon's car: he's just showing you the picture to prove SC has that particular car."

lol

What a guinea. You know your probably half a negro

I'm half a Mennonite.

I'm half a Meteorite.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say your stats are limited to Britain (for example I doubt 70% of the world was Christian in 1983). As awful as dadude's article for the most part is I trust that their figures take into account the whole world, this is the kind of thing that is very important to Christians. The most likely distortion is the ambiguity created by the existence of secular Christianity in the the West.

considering that this took place in ireland i found it more relevant than global demographics. they are both after all predominately christian nations in the west, far more relevant than figures which include 3rd word countries where missionaries can convert and people breed like rabbits (even WITH that those numbers are weak).... but fair enough.

http://www.scienceandreligiontoday.com/2012/05/30/is-atheism-increasing-at-the-expense-of-theism/

people in ireland who don’t believe in god:
1998- 2.4%
2008- 4%

people in ireland who have no doubt god exists:
1998- 49.8
2008- 45.1

this over a 10 year span. i would love to see the figures ranging from the 80's to today, but this is the best i could do. substantial enough to squash dadudemon's point though, so thank you for pointing that out. i would have hated to have left him notably unsquashed.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
substantial enough to squash dadudemon's point though, so thank you for pointing that out. i would have hated to have left him notably unsquashed.

The opposite is true but at least you feel better, right? 🙂

let me guess...by showing figures that proved the percentage of atheists has been increasing in ireland, i actually proved you right?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
let me guess...by showing figures that proved the percentage of atheists has been increasing in ireland, i actually proved you right?

Well, you tried, at least, right? Maybe if you back-peddle some more, you'll be right about some more?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
considering that this took place in ireland i found it more relevant than global demographics. they are both after all predominately christian nations in the west, far more relevant than figures which include 3rd word countries where missionaries can convert and people breed like rabbits (even WITH that those numbers are weak).... but fair enough.

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen someone actually go and explicitly dismiss the entire non-Western world like that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen someone actually go and explicitly dismiss the entire non-Western world like that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen someone actually go and explicitly dismiss the entire non-Western world like that.

sure you have.

but you're right, i'm sure. the practice of islam in sudan and budhism in tibet is totally relevant to the discussion of politics and religion in ireland.

So sad to here this news. May she and her baby rest in peace.