Ozymandias vs Raizo

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Ozymandias vs Raizo

Ozymandias (Film version with a samurai sword and night glasses to see in the darkness. It also works as an x-ray and more)

VS

Raizo (From Ninjas Assassin with his usual weapons and in his ninja outfit)

A battle to the death in Ozymandia's Veidt corporations building.

Whats with the porly defined mcguffin glasses? Night vision, x-ray, and more? What's the more? And why are you handicapping the ninja by giving an already super fast and strong guy like Ozy such magical sunglasses nd a samurai sword? I only saw parts of Ninja Assassin but from what i could tell your magical glasses make this a stomp. Fool can catch bullets and kick a 200 pound man a good 5 feet into the air and a good distance away.

Raizo.

Originally posted by omgchos
Whats with the porly defined mcguffin glasses? Night vision, x-ray, and more? What's the more? And why are you handicapping the ninja by giving an already super fast and strong guy like Ozy such magical sunglasses nd a samurai sword? I only saw parts of Ninja Assassin but from what i could tell your magical glasses make this a stomp. Fool can catch bullets and kick a 200 pound man a good 5 feet into the air and a good distance away.
magical glasses or not, Raizo still wins.

at the end of the movie he had that ninja blitz attack that was superior to any speed Ozy showed.

I honeslty missed the last fight of the movie lol, but still whats the point of these glasses? Maybe if they could show you the future or some ****. And is this blitz attack comparable to bullet speeds? Is it more like a dash or a teleport? Ozy most definetly caught a bullet with his palm, which also means he was wearing armor. Admitedly not on his neck or head so decapitation is a posibility. But the speed feat is there.

Actually according to lestovs thread he wasl calculated at 400 fps. Slower than a bullet.

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Even if Ozy manages to hit Raizo, his damage soak and threshold for pain are pretty crazy.

True he did seem to have good damage soak, but it is a dash. So Imo ozy could track his movements. We are also shown ozy nonchalantly dodgin shots and taking out the shooter in a very short space of time. Admittedly not as fast as him so idk if it tracks with his bullet catching ability. Could simply be along the lines of he can move fast enough to get his hand in the path of the bullet before it is actually fired. So at this point im not sure which way it would go lol.

did you see one of the parts of the movie where the ninjas can hide in shadows?

yeah i remember that but they have to leave them to attack. And ozy isnt gonna just assume they left and sit down for a nice cold drink and his favorite soap lol. Once they reapear to attack hed take care of em. Without that dash ability its a tossup to me with a slight leaning toward Raizo simply because Ozys speed was never cleary defined only hinted at and sor of shown. I mean since he knew toy chess was a pushover did he just half ass it? Or was it actually his fastest?

well, whether he was holding back or not, we have to go by what he showed on screen.

Yes i know but we did see him catch a bullet. Sice the two don't really tracki was merely stating that since we know he caught it with his hand, and we know he can move incredibly fast(albeit he didnt show us 400 fps) its enough to say that at the very least he could grab hold of Raizo and once he has him close he beats him to death.

I'm going to pretend that Ozy doesn't have these nightvision goggles, because that seriously dampens Raizo's abilities.

Strength wise, Ozy is pretty up there. Raizo isn't that bad either, considering he can throw ninja stars that burst through wooden beams like they were high powered rifle rounds, but Ozy is still stronger.

I would have voted on Ozy for the win if it wasn't for Raizo's speed blurring feats. After that last fight in Ninja Assassin, I'd have to say Raizo wins this after a hard fight. His ninja master also had the ability to heal wounds at will, so that's something.

That shadow-speed-blitz isn't faster than Veidt can react to.

Raizo could only heal by concentrating and making a 'I ate too much sticky white rice' constipated face, so his healing-factor isn't good in an active fight. He does have an extremely high damage-soak though, iirc, he bleed more than the human body holds and lived.

Thats what iv'e been saying.

i still dont get how the nightvision goggles help Ozy see into shadows. If you wanted to gimp Raizo, setting the fight in an open and lit area or giving Ozy a giant spotlight would have been the way to go.

Originally posted by omgchos
Yes i know but we did see him catch a bullet. Sice the two don't really tracki was merely stating that since we know he caught it with his hand, and we know he can move incredibly fast(albeit he didnt show us 400 fps) its enough to say that at the very least he could grab hold of Raizo and once he has him close he beats him to death.
even if we concede that Ozy has that level of superspeed, he would need some sort of way to sense what direction Raizo is attacking from.

Originally posted by Robtard
That shadow-speed-blitz isn't faster than Veidt can react to.

Raizo could only heal by concentrating and making a 'I ate too much sticky white rice' constipated face.

There's really no proof of which one is faster. Ozy was inconsistent in speed feats. He was fast enough to dodge bullets but his battle speed when fighting the rest of the Watchmen didn't seem to show him using any super speed.

He might be fast enough to react to Raizo's blurr attack once or twice but if Raizo maintains attacks like that throughout the fight, Ozy hasn't shown any indication that he can maintain that kind of speed throughout a prolonged fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
There's really no proof of which one is faster. Ozy was inconsistent in speed feats. He was fast enough to dodge bullets but his battle speed when fighting the rest of the Watchmen didn't seem to show him using any super speed.

He might be fast enough to react to Raizo's blurr attack once or twice but if Raizo maintains attacks like that throughout the fight, Ozy hasn't shown any indication that he can maintain that kind of speed throughout a prolonged fight.


I'll conced that he never shoed longevity to a huge extent, but since night owl and Rorschach were just mince meat to him, and the fact that he did consider dan his friend, why would he go all out. He responds to the situation, he didnt even break a sweat fighting those two. He even managed to dodge dr. manhattans giant hand.

Originally posted by marwash22
even if we concede that Ozy has that level of superspeed, he would need some sort of way to sense what direction Raizo is attacking from.

True but from what i saw in the movie raizo didnt have a very spiratic attack pattern. He just kinda did a back and fourth. All ozy has to do is trace him with his eyes anyway, which can move much faster than the rest of him. If he can put his hand in the path of a bullet he can most deffinetly keep track of raizo with his eyes.