Originally posted by DarkSaint85So you saying Doom can make Plutonian achieve a much higher level of reality warping? If so then Doom has a chance. But it all depends on Plutonian's potential and whether Doom can tap into that potential (provided it is sufficient).
You missed the part where its Doom who's now in control, with 24 hours of prep.
Doom was bringing people back to life mere moments after obtaining the Life Force from Wanda. Moments after he had his vibranium armor, Doom was attacking the heroes of Earth simataneously from Wakanda. With the Power Cosmic, Doom was already capable of utilizing its powers without even trying. And so on and so on for virtually every time Doom has obtained omnipotent powers or other stole the powers of another being. He's consistently displayed the ability to be incredibly proficient with powersets almost instantly upon getting them.
Considering the vast potential of the Plutonian's powerset and the fact that Doom is given a full 24 hour period to hone and master them - which may as well be an eternity to him - there's little in the way to suggest Hulk and Prime would beat him.
Originally posted by Villelater
win or lose - how much damage can WWH and SBP do to plutonian? also on a side note do WWH&SBP use those 24 hours to plan out there team attacks?
SBP can do a lot of damage to a normal Plutonian. But this is one with Doom's mind and 24hr prep to reach much higher levels than Plutonian never could achieve. So it's plausible.
Originally posted by Villelater
win or lose - how much damage can WWH and SBP do to plutonian? also on a side note do WWH&SBP use those 24 hours to plan out there team attacks?
SBP and WWH would be gnats to Doom, next to Thanos when obtaining power Doom is highly dangerous to the point he would fight on their level, than open a can a of whoop a$$. It would take Odin level power to beat this version of Doom IMHO!!
Originally posted by the DarkoneIt all depends on the potential of Plutionian and how much Doom is able to utilize of it.
SBP and WWH would be gnats to Doom, next to Thanos when obtaining power Doom is highly dangerous to the point he would fight on their level, than open a can a of whoop a$$. It would take Odin level power to beat this version of Doom IMHO!!
Originally posted by carver9Negative. Solar systems were dying because the the stars of those systems were burned out by the being Tony was fighting (Modeus.)
I don't care what Galan say, Plutonian was getting punched so hard, solar systems were being destroyed and he withstood it.
If our sun were to instantly stop producing heat, earth would die as a result. Same thing here.
Originally posted by h1a8That's the point. Plutonian has powers that place him on the same level as high-level abstracts.
It all depends on the potential of Plutionian and how much Doom is able to utilize of it.
It's hard to believe someone who can tank universe busters and move entire solar systems through space far faster than light would be a gnat any non abstract being.
I admit SBP may lose but it won't appear as if he's a gnat though.
Basically at the level of Owen Reese at his most powerful.
Plutonian has the powers of a foundation reality manipulator.
Originally posted by Horrificus
That's the point. Plutonian has powers that place him on the same level as high-level abstracts.Basically at the level of Owen Reese at his most powerful.
Plutonian has the powers of a foundation reality manipulator.
I never seen this after reading irredeemable. Remind me again. What was said or shown to suggest that?
Originally posted by h1a8ability to manipulate time, space, matter, energy. The use of quantum theory as if it was his own little toolbox. I have posted this stuff in other threads, but I'm not sure which ones.
I never seen this after reading irredeemable. Remind me again. What was said or shown to suggest that?
And, even before Plutonian understood what he was, you had something way over the top:
Take Owen Reese at his most powerful level. Have him use that power in a mostly "physical" way, (a la Zeus destroying Hulk), and you would end up with something like the Plutonian before his awakening.
Originally posted by Horrificus
ability to manipulate time, space, matter, energy. The use of quantum theory as if it was his own little toolbox.
I know that. Surfer can do those things. I was just looking for the level of his potential. For example, Surfer level, Galactus level, Franklin Richards level? I admit that Doom would win. Just not that SBP would be a gnat. That's crazy.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Basically it would be fighting MM at highest level, with the intelligence of Doom this is not even close!
No it wouldn't. There's no proof to his limit in comics. We just can't assume such a limit without proof. That would be a no limits fallacy.
I understand that he didn't reach his potential because of his own lack of comprehension. But that doesn't mean he can be at MM highest level.
We based things off feats and evidence through narration or plot. Nowhere is how powerful Plutonian can be. SBP is more powerful than standard Plutonian and thus Doom would turn the tables. But certainly not to a degree such that SBP would be a gnat. We need concrete proof of this and not speculation.
Originally posted by Galan007
Tony had no stated power caps. His limited comprehension of his powerset was his only real limitation-- and even then, he was still uber as hell.
Most powerful heroes have no stated power cap. Doesn't mean they can reach any level. We need concrete evidence of how powerful Plutonian can become. I accept he can become more powerful than SBP (initially he isn't) but I don't accept to a degree where SBP is a gnat. That's asinine.
Originally posted by h1a8Powerful enough to beat SBP and Hulk.
Most powerful heroes have no stated power cap. Doesn't mean they can reach any level. We need concrete evidence of how powerful Plutonian can become. I accept he can become more powerful than SBP (initially he isn't) but I don't accept to a degree where SBP is a gnat. That's asinine.
