Originally posted by Damborgson
😐 The phoenix isn't an abstract because it has "material"? EVERYTHING has material. GALACTUS has material. Christ you're difficult.
Galactus is not an abstract being.
You don't see the fallacy of your argument. An abstract being is a being with no material. You just can't go and hit one with physical force, or even touch one physically. We seen starships hurt Phoenix. So who cares if Thor caused Phoenix to move around. It's not like she's made of adamantium. She was energy form and easily reformed a panel or so later.
Then don't argue it because there is no point. Most cerainly not some irrelevant OAA comparison with nothing to do with the conversation here. That hammer stays away from Thor only as long as Thor lets it. Considering it can teleport from anywhere in the universe and can resist skyfathers.
If you read a Thor comic you will see that the hammer ALWAYS stays away from Thor longer than what he wants. He doesn't make the hammer teleport to his hand even in .01% of his appearances. He has the hammer knocked away from him (or caused to drop it), blocked off, multiple times in his history. He would get ACED by most herald level beings without the hammer. This fact evens him out to herald level being.
In conclusion, if Thor didn't do anything beyond herald level with Mjolnir (but only herald level stuff) then he wouldn't be a herald (or just the weakest one there is).
2. Then learn English. Or whatever this Americanized, new age English we speak would be considered.
It takes time. We are in the now though.
3. Or he repaired. Like he always does to his armor, and like he did later on in the same story. The amount of reaching is ridiculous here.
Let's just agree to disagree here. One thing is certain though. It's debatable and thus isn't a fact.
4. I guarantee you both of them have plenty more credibility than you do my friend. An admantium hammer is inferior to Mjolnir, and irrelevant. Magic doesn't really make a difference since it's still a feat no herald should be able to accomplish and no trans for that matter.
Magic does make a difference. Just look at Thor's feats. Like I said, Thor NEEDS to do things with Mjolnir higher than a herald to even him out to herald level. His weakness keeps him at herald level. His weaknesses are lack of speed, weak without the hammer, his character.
5. Of course I do. You obviously don't though. Spiderman doesn't have a history of beating heralds. Thor has a very large history of affecting people on whole other tiers than him. It's not his only feat in that category.
Spidey vs. Firelord is one of the highest level of PIS. This means PIS exists on much lower levels. No matter how high or low PIS can't be used. Firelord is only two tiers from Spidey. Galactus is 3 from Thor. To be honest I haven't seen the feat you are referring to. Didn't read Chao wars. But I rather read the comic since it may contain context you are not mentioning. You could be exaggerating or twisting things or simply interpreting things wrong. So I'll hold my peace on that feat til then.
Galactus doing poorly doesn't mean Thor's feat is invalidated. That's not how the forum rules work, and you don't know what the PIS rule is. Had that been Thor's first EVER showing and he was consistently portrayed as a gnat to these big guys, I would agree with you. But that's not the case so you have no point.
No Thor's an absract, because he's done things no herald should be able to do, Mjolnir being his tool which makes it perfectly legal.
Thor has other above herald feats without Mjolnir anyway, he was knocking the earth out of it's orbit just by arm wrestling, sealing holes in dimensions with his punches, crisping Durok using his godly energies, crubmling uru with his bare hands, etc.
Yes it does because of who Galactus is. That's exactly how the forum rules work. But let me check the comic out and I'll get back to you. To expedite time, which issues were these (chaos feat and Galactus not bothering him)
Sealing holes in dimensions is a feat anyone with strength can do. Hell Hercules was the one who helped him. Do you know how much force it took to punch the dimension closed? I can see if Thor punched so hard that he punched through dimensions that wasn't already there. He didn't. Weak feat if you ask me.
Uru is a weak metal if there is no enchantment. What issue has Thor crumbling uru with his bare hands though? Surfer can create black hole blasts with is far greater than Durok feat. Terrax can slice a planet in half with his axe, which is a far greater feat than Durok feat. Superman can apply over 50 earth weights of force, this is greater than Durok feat.
Thor and Hercules taking all day just to move the Earth out of orbit is a herald feat and not higher. I can see if both did it immediately. Apply some million tons of force on Earth for many hours and it will be moved out of orbit. Second, the feat isn't canon. It was just for laughs and giggles after the comic was over and had nothing to do with any story.
And since you love getting technical, that power is not from Prime. It comes from yellow sun radiation. It can be removed. So the power is not from him.
Prove that it could be easily removed by a herald level being or even a trans being? Hell a skyfather level being can't do it. Thor getting hit and dropping the hammer, Thor throwing his hammer and being without it, getting it knocked from his hands, getting the hammer trapped, etc. isn't comparable to SBP.
