Originally posted by BlackZero30x
if wally was blood lusted it would be as easy as running then vibrating through them. He could throw off their vibrational frequency and cause them to all to go boom
Very iffy something like that working.
1) Though it varies with the writer, it has been shown that there are some things Flashes can NOT normally vibrate through (Wonder Woman's lasso, for instance.)
2) Hulks deal with competing vibrational frequencies to begin with by definition. They've reigned in all that high-radiation, moving-at-light-speed-already gamma energy, remember? Yet such does not seem to make them less stable but MORE physically solid.
3) Hulks are able to treat some types of energy as solid material.
Again wonder what's supposed to guarantee Flash phasing would work at all if attempted.
4) The Maestro, alternate future version of Professor Hulk, demonstrated the ability to reconstitute himself from stray molecules, suggesting there's something at work in the Hulks that gives their bodies the innate tendency to reconfigure around a central core or somehow keep their integrity through unexplained outside means.
Also, of course, that they have an insane healing factor...
May or may not be worth mentioning that Hulks can vibrate their own bodies at higher speeds than most any conventionally known machine, too, and that such causes them little if any distress ...
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
lol yea obviously I know what would happen to my arm at those speed......Like I said if hes at your given speed 6000 then his durability would be relative to that. Its not infinite but like I said even if he breaks his arm it would heal in less then a second. This is why when he used his Imp's he doesn't just shatter like glass.
So what Im saying is hulks going to be hurting.
I just want to know why you question this and not his ability to hear at the speed of sound and his ability to see at light speed. Because if you outrun sound how can the sound wave reach your ears? anyways the answer to all of your questions that have to do with physics are "The Speed Force" it is almost like anti physics.
i havent gotten to my point of him being able to see or hear at light speeds at an any where near normal level i just dont see him able to hurt the hulk without killing himself at high speeds and hulk will eventually catch him and break him
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Very iffy something like that working.1) Though it varies with the writer, it has been shown that there are some things Flashes can NOT normally vibrate through (Wonder Woman's lasso, for instance.)
2) Hulks deal with competing vibrational frequencies to begin with by definition. They've reigned in all that high-radiation, moving-at-light-speed-already gamma energy, remember? Yet such does not seem to make them less stable but MORE physically solid.
3) Hulks are able to treat some types of energy as solid material.
Again wonder what's supposed to guarantee Flash phasing would work at all if attempted.4) The Maestro, alternate future version of Professor Hulk, demonstrated the ability to reconstitute himself from stray molecules, suggesting there's something at work in the Hulks that gives their bodies the innate tendency to reconfigure around a central core or somehow keep their integrity through unexplained outside means.
Also, of course, that they have an insane healing factor...
May or may not be worth mentioning that Hulks can vibrate their own bodies at higher speeds than most any conventionally known machine, too, and that such causes them little if any distress ...
points 1-3 all kind of have a similar point to them and the way to solve that question is to find out exactly what methods of phasing have worked on hulks and what have not.
Beyond that lets say for arguments sake he's to dense to phase through their is also the option to...as sick as this sounds...rub him down. The flashes are kind of kings of vibrational frequencies and he could just throw off hulks frequency causing him to blow to pieces. Taking into account that everything has a unique vibrational frequency. But lets say he can't make hulk blow to pieces he still has options. Fighting with smart while using a flashes abilities are an enemy's worst nightmare. Look at how wall handled Mongul. That was before he even had a handle on the speed force.
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
i havent gotten to my point of him being able to see or hear at light speeds at an any where near normal level i just dont see him able to hurt the hulk without killing himself at high speeds and hulk will eventually catch him and break him
Hulk catching Flash with cis off just simply wont happen.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
The Flash is to Quicksilver in speed as Namor is to Aquaman in strength....
I don't know really know how Quicksilver rates against Flash historically in direct comparison, but I'll take your word for it.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
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Calling Aquaman a wimp by comparison?
P.R. might want words with you later ...
...with cis off hulk would be a statue compared to flash. An enemy as powerful as hulk wouldn't be taken lightly. I'll put it this way wally was setting in a movie theater and a bullet was fired and as it just barely touches the back of his neck he auto jumps into speed mode and grabs every bullet fired in the theater before anyone gets hit. Heck Wally was once in a police office talking to the police and disaster struck. He not only took care of everything but he fixed all the damaged cars and gave them oil changes. He was back before the cops even noticed he was gone. Or he can move fast enough to appear in two places at once. Like when he was talking to hunter zolomons wife. The Flash was in the room talking to her at the same time as Wally West.....they were both wally.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I don't know really know how Quicksilver rates against Flash historically in direct comparison, but I'll take your word for it.😕
Calling Aquaman a wimp by comparison?
P.R. might want words with you later ...
lol The flash is or historically always has been.
Lol Aqumans strength is quite a gap from Namors. I love Aquman and think he could beat Namor but not based on his strength. His other abilities give him the edge imo lol
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Fighting with smart[s] while using a Flash[']s abilities are an enemy's worst nightmare. Look at how [well Flash][?] handled Mongul. That was before he even had a handle on the speed force.
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Please remember that many of us do not have comprehensive collections of all the Flashes adventures. Here against Mongul, for instance, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, because I've never seen the two fight.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Mongul got like one hit in and then wally thrashed him entirely.
Ah, I see.
More conflicting points, though, and you can tell me if what D.S. provided is from a bygone era etcetera and/or otherwise shouldn't be in consideration here:
One.
The Flashes are used to CURBING speed effects that would normally be lethal. Even making the conscious decision to use maximum force, any Flash placed in this situation should naturally be hindered by this ingrained tendency.
Here, for instance, reproducing a scene D.S. presented earlier, Inertia shoves a man at GREATER than light speed.
It does him almost no damage whatsoever.
Theoretically, such should have sent Bart straight THROUGH the poor guy, rather like a man-sized bullet. Did Bart extend speed force protection to the guy or something ...? But if the Flashes unconsciously extend protection to all target peoples, how would they override this training to make it truly dangerous once again?
no one is debating flash is fast lol ur giving me facts about how fast he is we've established he potentially has the ability to move at the speed of light and the argument is if hulk would b able to stop him basically bcuz as soon as he's laid a finger on him hulk breaks him end of story lol hulk isnt a statue as u say he has godly reflexes and extreme speed and agility himself
Running up on a temporary time deadline in about ... 14 minutes.
So let me get the biggest present concerns out the way ...
For the proposed near infinite mass punch
Hulks can take VERY hard blows without getting killed, knocked out, or even taken much out of a fight. Even new less-heralded ones like Skaar, for instance ...
Originally posted by bluewaterriderI think in general the speedsters would have to knowingly protect someone. I conclude this from from taking this into account......
Ah, I see.More conflicting points, though, and you can tell me if what D.S. provided is from a bygone era etcetera and/or otherwise shouldn't be in consideration here:
One.
The Flashes are used to CURBING speed effects that would normally be lethal. Even making the conscious decision to use maximum force, any Flash placed in this situation should naturally be hindered by this ingrained tendency.
Here, for instance, reproducing a scene D.S. presented earlier, Inertia shoves a man at GREATER than light speed.
It does him almost no damage whatsoever.
Theoretically, such should have sent Bart straight THROUGH the poor guy, rather like a man-sized bullet. Did Bart extend speed force protection to the guy or something ...? But if the Flashes unconsciously extend protection to all target peoples, how would they override this training to make it truly dangerous once again?
Wally had actually lost his powers in the 80's but he used barry's notes and the help of Tina McGee to build a machine to recreate his accident. Upon re attaining his abilities he took off faster then he ever has. He ran so fast it left a trail of damage like burning asphalt. It has always been my belief that it is a matter of keeping control. In the same way magneto kept Asteroid M in space yet it was a mere thought in the back of his head.