Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Speed force can be absorbed like energy from any given Flash, if Wally's trick on ... Christina (?) is any indication...
Flashes can absorb energy out of anything. Not just other speedsters. Wally absorbed the kinetic energy directly from the earth. He can "speed steal" from anything that has kinetic energy
... which brings up the biggest complication I can see in a CISless forum match.
The Red Hulk demonstrated the ability to absorb various forms of energy.
He started out at a high base of strength and durability, of course, but he had the ability to amp beyond that.
People joke of it as "Loebforce" because it is, or was, so widely varied in what it could siphon from and how powerfully it could magnify him.
That fact isn't common knowledge within the comic world, though.
"Rulk" commented on such himself:
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Running up on a temporary time deadline in about ... 14 minutes.So let me get the biggest present concerns out the way ...
For the proposed near infinite mass punch
Hulks can take VERY hard blows without getting killed, knocked out, or even taken much out of a fight. Even new less-heralded ones like Skaar, for instance ...
Wally's Imp was said to have as much force behind it as a white dwarf star so imagine getting hit by a white dwarf star at light speed.
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
my argument is basically flash is obviously going to land a lot more blows but i think they hurt flash more then they hurt hulk and once hulk finally lands a blow that kills flash period
Hulk won't land a blow and flash wouldn't hurt himself on hulk. Even if he did flash can do more to hulk than just that.
... Rulk drained SOUND energy.
With Thor, or Mjolnir, or perhaps even by merely being near Thor, some posters seriously suggested that Rulk absorbed a portion of the ODIN FORCE. Which is why they're saying in the following shot, that Mjolnir has lightning coming from it on every hammer swing and strike on Thor.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I get where you are going with this. He could drain the speed force from wally. Thats a viable plan but it appears that Rulk would have to be touching The Flash. Maybe holding him in a way but I don't think thats going to happen.
Exactly right, save for a few things, and one of those is that, again, in the last example, Rulk did not spend all that much time touching Thor, only Mjolnir, so it MAY be that he does not need to touch his target in order to drain surrounding energy and amp himself ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Exactly right, save for a few things, and one of those is that, again, in the last example, Rulk did not spend all that much time touching Thor, only Mjolnir, so it MAY be that he does not need to touch his target in order to drain surrounding energy and amp himself ...
It was my assumption he was absorbing energy directly from Mjolnir.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
you also have to account that simply stealing wallys speed won't matter.
He could either steal it back or the speed force would give him more.
mmm
I'll think about the re-stealing point for awhile (I'm more than 14 minutes overdue for my 14 minute deadline now, unfortunately 🙁 ),
I need to ask, given the knowledge and response that the Speed Force was apparently expended at some point or otherwise "went away" for a time, what were the circumstances that made it disappear?
This is significant because ALL of the Hulks have demonstrated the ability to absorb great amounts of energy and the "Rulks" perhaps greatest of all. Betty (Red She Hulk) for example, apparently absorbed enough ambient energy from her husband, when he went to full "Worldbreaker" mode in Umar's dark dimension, that a collision between these two destroyed an entire planet and moon system -- WITHOUT either of them directly touching said planet's surface!
There's a theoretical point at which Betty could conceivably exhaust even Wally's source of power, even as she absorbed enough from her husband to pull of that feat, even as she absorbed enough to take down a Rulk that took down a TEAM of Savage Hulk Levelled heroes before that and revert him completely back to her father.
I also have to ask if Rulk absorbs the kinetic energy from the flash is it going to effect Rulk by increasing his speed or would it only make him stronger? Has Rulk ever used the energy he has stolen in the way it is to be used. Like manipulating the cosmic energy he stole from sufer? Or would he just be like the turtle?
The Turtle is the slowest man alive but he can absorb kinetic energy he just can't use it.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Alotta educating goin on here.... I like it
😂
I'm liking this, too.
Black Racer has so far proved the most cordial debator I've yet to encounter in this forum. No put downs or aggressive behavior or anything, but addresses every point brought to him and gives a polite response.
I really am short on time for right now, though; have been for over 30 minutes. Despite thoroughly enjoying this, I'll have to suspend until I deal with some other business of the day.
One final objection to inject though, to the people that suggest using the Speed Force to trap the Hulks...
Superboy Prime managed to free himself from the Speed Force.
Presumably, like his dimensional prison and the Phantom Zone before it, by punching his way out.
Don't know about the rest of the Hulk team, but at least one member demonstrated similar ability to ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
mmmI'll think about the re-stealing point for awhile (I'm more than 14 minutes overdue for my 14 minute deadline now, unfortunately 🙁 ),
I need to ask, given the knowledge and response that the Speed Force was apparently expended at some point or otherwise "went away" for a time, what were the circumstances that made it disappear?
This is significant because ALL of the Hulks have demonstrated the ability to absorb great amounts of energy and the "Rulks" perhaps greatest of all. Betty (Red She Hulk) for example, apparently absorbed enough ambient energy from her husband, when he went to full "Worldbreaker" mode in Umar's dark dimension, that a collision between these two destroyed [b]an entire planet and moon system
-- WITHOUT either of them directly touching said planet's surface!There's a theoretical point at which Betty could conceivably exhaust even Wally's source of power, even as she absorbed enough from her husband to pull of that feat, even as she absorbed enough to take down a Rulk that took down a TEAM of Savage Hulk Levelled heroes before that and revert him completely back to her father. [/B]
Bart had absorbed the entire speed force because he was trapped on an alternate earth and needed to get home before SBP arrives there. Upon getting home bart suffered from amnesia not remembering why the speed force was gone. Everything a flash could do normally was so amped at that point bart nearly retired because he thought he was going to tear apart from the inside out. It wasn't removed from him until a machine was built that specifically absorbs the speed force. It was still to much energy to contain it nearly caused an atomic level explosion. Barts girlfriend had been working on it and discovered a way to release the speed force back out without causing the explosion though. Bart died in that story. Wally driven with grief went after Inertia and speed stole so much he became a statue. As you pointed out earlier.