Originally posted by bluewaterrider
😂I'm liking this, too.
Black Racer has so far proved the most cordial debator I've yet to encounter in this forum. No put downs or aggressive behavior or anything, but addresses every point brought to him and gives a polite response.
I really am short on time for right now, though; have been for over 30 minutes. Despite thoroughly enjoying this, I'll have to suspend until I deal with some other business of the day.
One final objection to inject though, to the people that suggest using the Speed Force to trap the Hulks...
Superboy Prime managed to free himself from the Speed Force.
Presumably, like his dimensional prison and the Phantom Zone before it, by punching his way out.
Don't know about the rest of the Hulk team, but at least one member demonstrated similar ability to ...
Wasn't she amped? I am open to being corrected, however.
Originally posted by Uriel005
also this well its not showing up but here's a link to a direct combat feat
http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/FlashvsAmazo3.jpg
Yah, plus I showed him doing it to Lady Flash and others. I think he's convinced now.
Atm, I believe bluewaterrider is raising the possibility Rulk can speedsteal Flash, by absorbing kinetic energy. Personally, I don't think this is the way to go, as Rulk has already been shown to be unable to do so.
what if the Hulk jumps really high into the air and slams his fists in ground causing a really powerful shockwave strong enough to destroy a city on a atomic level? would the shockwave kill flash? and if he kept jumping up and down with his weight and mass and only leaping in the fight he should have better odds of winning sense flash can't fly and would avoid him when he comes down...each shockwave the hulk makes should force flash backwords giving hulk more time...each shockwave being incredibly powerful and very noisey on inhuman eardrum busting level...its Hulk for the Win.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Rulk cannot absorb other forms of energy anymore, only gamma.
So its not like he can absorb the kinetic energy of Wally.
Confirmed by Zero One:
Already acknowledged.
You missed the part where I typed the following:
... and the other thing is that Rulk himself apparently does not possess that power, according to several posters.However,
... and then went on to explain why it is still relevant:
... the original poster also included RED She Hulk as part of Team Hulk's roster. And SheRulk LIKEWISE possesses energy-absorption ability, and in fact demonstrated and used it to beat her father in their dual-revelation
Originally posted by Villelater
what if the Hulk jumps really high into the air and slams his fists in ground causing a really powerful shockwave strong enough to destroy a city on a atomic level? would the shockwave kill flash? and if he kept jumping up and down with his weight and mass and only leaping in the fight he should have better odds of winning sense flash can't fly and would avoid him when he comes down...each shockwave the hulk makes should force flash backwords giving hulk more time...each shockwave being incredibly powerful and very noisey on inhuman eardrum busting level...its Hulk for the Win.
He would vibrate through it. Physical attacks, on a smart Flash, should not be an issue at all.
And as for the noise - he's faster than sound.
Originally posted by Villelater
he may be faster than sound but the field is indestructible which forces sound to bounce back...and these shockwaves would be beyond the field range...he can't simply pass through sound strong enough to destroy cities
But...even if it bounces back...he's still faster than it. Imagine someone thrown a tennis ball very slowly at you. You dodge it easily, it bounces off the wall and comes back at you. By this time, it'll be slower...you dodge it again.
And even if he doesn't dodge it, yes, he can pass through it.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/vibrateex.jpg
And whilst the Hulk is doing this, surely his team mates would die??
Originally posted by Villelater.... you do realize a PIS/CIS off Flash can perceive any attack any hulk would make in what amounts to slow motion considering Hulk hasn't done anything approaching attosecond reaction times and proceed to dodge any attack by hopping into the speedforce dimension... A dimension the Hulks can't even attack him in while he could pop out smack them at will and pop back in at will. BTW CIS off anyone would use their full abilities to dodge an attack if they know their opponents can level cities.
he may be faster than sound but the field is indestructible which forces sound to bounce back...and these shockwaves would be beyond the field range...he can't simply pass through sound strong enough to destroy cities
the Hulks teammates...most of them can do Super jump slams as well as resist them...thanks to gamma powered ear-drums and regeneration...besides their physical power...your example of tennis was bad...the sound and shockwaves would travel in a circle around flash and crush him because it would invert on itself...no matter how slow he thinks it is it will press agaisnt him eventually trapping him...like a man in a car crusher with no way out...and if he goes to his other dimension...he will give the hulks more time to be angry...making it worse
Originally posted by Villelater
the Hulks teammates...most of them can do Super jump slams as well as resist them...thanks to gamma powered ear-drums and regeneration...besides their physical power...your example of tennis was bad...the sound and shockwaves would travel in a circle around flash and crush him because it would invert on itself...no matter how slow he thinks it is it will press agaisnt him eventually trapping him...like a man in a car crusher with no way out...and if he goes to his other dimension...he will give the hulks more time to be angry...making it worse
Not if he vibrates through it....like in my examples. Physical attacks can't affect a CISless smart Flash.
And he can hop in and out. One attosecond he's in front, the next, he's behind you, the next, he's kicking you, the next, he's grabbed Doc Samson, the next...you get the picture.
they would have no time to get angry.
Lol.
Do more research. I showed him phasing through an explosion. Sound, heat, energy - he phased through all of it.
You DO know how sound works right???? It travels by waves passing through a medium. So it needs physical particles to pass the energy through - that's why there's no sound in the vacuum of space.
So if it relies on physical particles....the Flash vibrates through them. I suggest you do some research.
Originally posted by bluewaterriderNot possible. Wally can't be cut from it like Bart was[and in fact, accidentally cut Bart from it, causing his death], and likewise, the energy is infinite.
mmmI'll think about the re-stealing point for awhile (I'm more than 14 minutes overdue for my 14 minute deadline now, unfortunately 🙁 ),
I need to ask, given the knowledge and response that the Speed Force was apparently expended at some point or otherwise "went away" for a time, what were the circumstances that made it disappear?
This is significant because ALL of the Hulks have demonstrated the ability to absorb great amounts of energy and the "Rulks" perhaps greatest of all. Betty (Red She Hulk) for example, apparently absorbed enough ambient energy from her husband, when he went to full "Worldbreaker" mode in Umar's dark dimension, that a collision between these two destroyed [b]an entire planet and moon system
-- WITHOUT either of them directly touching said planet's surface!There's a theoretical point at which Betty could conceivably exhaust even Wally's source of power, even as she absorbed enough from her husband to pull of that feat, even as she absorbed enough to take down a Rulk that took down a TEAM of Savage Hulk Levelled heroes before that and revert him completely back to her father. [/B]
http://imageshack.us/f/48/jla82kebbin017bi.jpg/
It is the infinite realm of velocity that feeds all motion in the universe.
Suggesting Betty could absorb this would imply Betty has zero limits.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I also have to ask if Rulk absorbs the kinetic energy from the flash is it going to effect Rulk by increasing his speed or would it only make him stronger? Has Rulk ever used the energy he has stolen in the way it is to be used. Like manipulating the cosmic energy he stole from sufer? Or would he just be like the turtle?The Turtle is the slowest man alive but he can absorb kinetic energy he just can't use it.
Hulk v2 #12 is the episode where Rulk steals the cosmic power like you saw. Here's one of the panels following. Note that he is able to ride and control Silver Surfer's board, wield Terrax's axe and produce bolts of cosmic energy from his hand.
